US Military Killed In Iraq War

664 dead

i read this just as a Bush 'approved' commercial was on t.v. ..talking about Kerry's tax voting for/against..

..just a way to divert peoples' attention?

more on topic.. the loss of life is horrible. my condolences go out to all families/friends who have been affected.

Essence, quite true and agreed..

when i said 'all families/friends who have been affected', i really meant ALL.. not just Americans.

thank you for making that point more clear than i had though.

Yeah. . .and?? What issue/s are you trying to raise?

In 2000, 15,517 people in the USA were murdered.

We should leave Iraq and take care of ourselves? Whats the point of this thread? War sucks, we all know that.

I wonder how many Iraq's were killed in the war. That's some numbers I've been wanting to see out of pure curiosity.

I'd also like to see the numbers killed had Saddam stayed in power.

Well we know of 300,000 in massgraves already! oh man 10,000 dead to free people that already lost 300,000 under the evil mans rule.

god we are bastards, I can't live with myself anymore.

How many of those people in mass graves were put there as a result of US intervention in Iraq? Remember, he was the enemy of our enemy (Iran) who was our friend back in the 80's.

Yes, we ARE the bastards.

I don't know, can you answer that?

hmmm and the british colonization of America put us here, so ummm they must be the bastards right? Just following your logic.

JV

A big, weak jump in logic. Like many Bushies, you glossed over the fact that the US has meddled in Iraq's affairs at least since the early 60's. Even as recently as the late 80's, Bush Sr. was sending aid to Iraq, even though we knew that Chemical Ali was gassing Kurds up north. Saddam got aid practically right up until Iraq invaded Kuwait.

To compare this to the British occupation of North America was a big stretch. You can't compare the actions of many over a couple hundred years to the actions of a smaller group of people over the last 40 years, many of who were around the entire time.

Bush demonized Saddam, which wasn't necessarly a bad thing, but he totally glossed over the fact that America helped create the beast. Even worse, he started a war with too few troops, and no postwar plan whatsoever. We have lost hundreds of people over there because Dubya thought he could "wing it" with his so-called postwar strategy. We still don't have Osama, our forces are spread too thin, and we have yet to find those WMDs.

Done talking to you,

You have made assumptions which I do not allow myself to debate against, for they are very weak debate tactics. I have this rule because I debate on so many boards that there is not point to me saying the same things over and over again especially when the person i'm debating just goes and make assumptions without asking me question.

Assumptions:
1. You assume I'm a Bushie by choice and not by necessity
2. You assume that I agree with everything he does and i'm a sheep.
3. You assume that I only think what I do because Bush tells me too... (very insulting too might i add)
4. You assume that I don't know about the history of Iraq, which I do and is all hte more reason for me to think what I do.
5. And finally you can't recognize a tongue in cheek joke...

JV

The wars that go on in the SL forums dont result in loss of life, but there are a lot of casualties. I think Im shell shocked from all the "debates" over the last week or so.

That's the trouble, any time you open your mouth about anything more controversial than tofu you risk upsetting people (some of whom may be your friends.) I've had people approach me in-world about things I said in the forums several times during my time in SL. Some say "right on", others are... less supportive. :)

I have great respect for the people who care to debate controversial and serious issues and raise those questions that need to be raised

Don't forget that we're the ones who supported Saddam's coup and helped him take power in Iraq in the first place. We also sold him the biological agents he used on Iran and the Kurds. Still sleep well at night?

Saddam was not the leader of the Baathists when we supported the Coup, he took over later.

JV

I can't believe you brought up the tofu topic again Huns! You know my feelings about tofu. I'm never speaking with you again.

I believe we are all aware of this so what's your point? That we shouldn't get involved in other countries' affairs? That we should be more calculating when we get involved in other countries affairs? Are you trying to make the American people or the government feel guilty?

We helped create the beast and now we're trying to kill it. At least we're trying to rectify some of the mistakes that were made.

As far as i'm concerned, they're "liberated", and our job is done.

I want my friends back home alive, now, if possible.

Bush's little speech was a great insult to all of the families of people stationed there. Not to mention themselves.

I can't speak for all of the military over there, but every one I know and have talked to think they all should be leaving/gone by now. That's very odd to me in the military crowd, i'm used to the response being that they'll be leaving when it's no longer necessary to be there.

When I heard them say they want out, it was probably the saddest thing i've heard from any of them.

Interesting because every soldier i've talked to thats come back has said that we need to stay there until the job is done, meaning that the country can be stable, otherwise every died in vain.

Thats what I don't get, why don't people realize that if we pull out now the fundies will take over and another dictatorship will be established, then all of our soldiers and all of the Iraqi's will have died for nothing, even if you disagreed with the reasons we went to war, we still did and people died, why make them die in vain?

JV

I agree with you there JV.

That assumes that the family of the slain soldier agrees with *why* we're in the war in the first place.