Feature voting update - please come add some bugs

See my post in announcements here - /3/1f/42941/1.html#post456957

And please start adding bugs to the feature list, so we can get a detail view of bug priority. Voting is going to become an incredibly powerful tool for us - we are rapidly reading and prioritizing our efforts to respond to this list.

www.secondlife.com/vote

I'm saving my votes for the "Make Aimee Weber the Official Monarch and Powerless Figurehead of Second Life" proposal.

This isn't a bug, but you might want to have a look at the thread "A Democratic Discussion" where me and my alts discuss how we're going to spam the voting mechanism LOL.

...so logically the first bug to fix would be prok.

I like how this is turning out.

I'm sorry you're treating bugs in the same way as features? You want people to vote for which bugs should be fixed as part of the feature voting system? That's totally and utterly bizarre. You guys aren't really serious, are you? So we have to choose between new features and bug fixes now? Frankly, I think you're in the twilight zone or something.

<3


SOMEONE just earned the title of "Official Royal Figurehead Castellan to Her Majesty the Queen"

Figurehead largely because I don't actually HAVE a castle

I dont know .. by telling them what bugs we hate most .. wont it help them set priorities onto what to concentrate on fixing?

people online games aften complain "gee they fixed 10 bugs that dont matter and left the 2 really important ones"

well heres an offer to tell them what bugs are the biggest hinderance to us, the users.

I'd further like to add that Philip's announcement says this:



And yes, the "Prioritize Bugfixing over new features" "feature" has been accepted with the following comment:



So, it's approved and shelved right away and now we have to submit individual bugs as "features" with a limited number of votes in the hopes that they get high enough to get fixed. So as there are so many bugs, it looks to me like they're going to get spread real thin and not get to the point of being accepted. Clever move, now you have a "community sanctioned" way to avoid bug fixes! This is just a farce, it really is.

PS. As an aside the use of the phrase "priority mix" is so much marketing speak it makes me want to hurl. Let's "blue sky" it eh, Philip?

Ah but the problem arises that with such a limited number of votes (plus it costs a vote to propose a feature or bug fix as well!) bugs generally won't figure on the radar and so LL can avoid them, especially as the same votes are used on features and bug fixes.

I'm sorry, but getting bug fixes mixed in with features is just stupid, plain and simple. But hey, they now have the perfect excuse as to why the bugs are still there - people were voting for new features all the time, so the bugs just stacked up.

Here are what I presume are the two bugs added (found on page 3 currently):



And you want us to vote on how much you've borked the viewer here? To help you decide whether to fix that borking or not?

Also, please note your search doesn't work. Do a search for 'bug' or 'BUG' and you'll come up with nothing, yet BUG is clearly in the above two proposal titles.

PS: Oh yeah, I forgot, I probably need to add fixing the voting search bug as a feature to be voted on, do I?

Having to vote on which bugs to fix is ridiculous....there must be a mountain of bug reports and the whole premise of the proposal is that you stop pushing feature upgrades and fix the bugs.

All the bugs need to be fixed...my vote is fix the bad ones first and then fix the medium ones and then move on to the small ones....and oh when someone gets a chance send me a telehub for my sim.

Yeah, the voting search is kinda useless. I can't search for proposal numbers nor who created the proposal.

How about some sorting or filters? That's a lot of features to look through, especially when ones I haven't seen yet but might be important to me are hidden in the middle somewhere.

Can we list Philip Linden as a bug in the system?

OK, here's a proposal for you (mind you I'll probably have to put it in as a feature request eh!):

Split the voting system into two parts - features and bugs. Give us 10 votes in each, in the same way as you are going now for features. The community can then seperately vote for which bugs and which features they want fixed or added. The benefit of this is that it's two seperate areas, so we don't have the confusion or the ability for bugs to be left at the bottom of the pile. Now the undertaking from Linden Lab is that they have to treat each list as equals and accept at a consistent pace from both.

Generally people will want *all* bugs fixed.

One slight concern is the gulf between what goes on in world and what goes on in the forums.

The forums attract a sub section of residents, presumably the voting attracts a subsection of forum users.

Until we can vote in world I'm not sure how democratic this is - even then most would not participate.

Also to vote you need information, not just yes/no. Surely we want informed voting?

On a personal level I want all the proposed new features - so what are we voting on? Which sounds the coolest? We've no idea what the consequences of a lot of these are.

i've been told time and again that i just don't understand the complexities of the software to support the features i've requested. i've also suffered bugs that have been examined, recreated, worked around and never fixed because noone could ever figure out what was actually going wrong in vast myriad of code that supports a sim server.

now every blinging hoochie alt on the grid is going to vote for their favourite feature and most annoying bug with the expectation that ll will listen and respond. respond with what? we'll get right on that? i'm gonna go superglue aol cds to my car. at least that makes some sense.

This new inclusion of bugs into the same mix has made the consequences all the more murky.

The only porposal which you will find when you hit the APPRoved button is the following.

Prop: 74 - Prioritize bugfixing over new features
Category: miscellaneous Sub: other Added: 2005-04-14 Discuss this proposal
Feature Detail: Time and time again, LL seems to favour adding new whiz-bang features at the expense of stability and bugfixing. Known flaws in SL go unfixed for months/years/ever. eg. llRezAtRoot - Still broken after months Ghosting - 3 Years to fix, and no ...
Linden comments: Approved, however in order to be effective about our bug fixing we would like you to enter in specific bugs you would like fixed and vote on them. Thanks



Maybe we should start this thread over.

Bugs should be prioritized on as technical a basis as possible. E.g. fix the server crashes first; fix the sim crashes next; then client crashes; then transaction bugs; etc. This is basic software design as one needs a functional platform before you can start fixing lesser issues.

You don't bother straightening the paintings in your house if the roof is in the process of collapsing -- even if someone is nagging you incessantly to straighten them.

That aside, I would sincerely question the expectation that the small fraction of players in SL who are inclined to participate in a "voting process" would "spend" their votes on bugs. People like bells and whistles and bring their own agendas to the game which may or may not be in harmony with a stable, functioning platform.

And lastly, I will note that I personally will have nothing to do with this voting system. I will report bugs in "Technical Issues" and/or "Linden Hotline." Until it's handled per player and not per account, until it's ensured that it's ONLY to be used for gauging player interest in particular features, and until it's ensured technical issues are granted their own independent weight and voice, I think it's counterproductive to SL's and LL's best interests. Fix "the system" before you rely on it!

I seriously wonder if LL are interested in our concerns at all. Yes they instigated the voting system but who's to say they will act on those proposals? I have come to the conclusion that they will do what they want, when they want and we are all wasting our time. So because I love SL so much, I'm going to get on with playing it and wait to see what LL do next. I'm a little disappointed but that's life.

Alexa

PS please bring back the distance from hub to destination or I may be compelled to rough up a Linden.

You'd better use one of your votes to create a proposal for this borking of previously working functionality - looks like that's the only means they're going to work from now.

FARCE

What makes me laugh is they remove things for no apparent reason that are really useful and when you ask them to reinstate it, they act like it would be some herculean task.

Same with free dragging. I want it back, not some grid thing that appears every time I edit an item. Even having it as a non default action would be fine.

Now you've got me mad again lol.

Alexa

I'll vote for that Jarod.

Is this really LL idea of effective business and tech management? Forum voting?

I can lend you one for ceremonies that might require such. I also have a throne so big that if you sit on it your feet dangle and you look like Lily Tomlin in that skit she used to do..umm...argghh...

Forum voting? I think you misunderstand, see: http://www.secondlife.com/vote/ to gain more clarity. But Jarod's right, Philip's definitely a bug, or at least has a bug. A great big marketing and spin bug that forces him to use marketing speak to wrap up a proposal that, in layman's terms is: "we can't be arsed to fix the multiitude of bugs that we've allowed to pile up and continually create, so we'll exonorate ourselves from having to fix them by blaming the community for not voting them high enough on our funky priority mix - if you want them fixed then vote them to the top of the charts pop-pickers, where you'll have a hard job because people will be fixating on new, cool, whizz-bang features".