What have you added to SL?

I concur with this view.

The original poster of this thread still yet to respond to my question about specific examples of "forum critics" that derived efforts of others? Regardless, it appears that this post was made to create an association of guilt for those who do not provide content to SL in one way or other. If you contribute to SL, good thanks but you do it because either you enjoy it or you have profit motive, but don't expect me to do the same or be grateful. These types of posts are divisive at best. Eboni put it very well.

Love

You are missing the point of the post. The post is directed at those who criticize the efforts of others when they do nothing. If you still agree with that premise then let me know why, because I cant even relate to others who spend their time putting down the efforts and contributions of others when they themselves do nothing. What is that about?

Eboni,

Yes, you should perhaps have researched before asking that question.

Gypsy Moon was a beautiful and a quirky sim, and was an outstanding and memorable build.

Please refrain from personally attacking those you don't agree with in the forums. If you have a personal disagreement with someone, please consider taking it to a more appropriate medium, including in-world chat, private messages, or forum IM.

I am not missing the point at all. I asked a simple question, what are two specific examples of your premise? If you are not able to provide this, then it seems this is rather an inflammatory post, which inevitably led to a warning from Jeska.

In open societies everyone should have the right to critisize if they see something worth critisizing and provided they are not malicious in nature. That's why I like to see an example how someone "derailed" an another effort, was this malicious in nature? If not, I do not agree with your premise, since this sort of thing can be said for pretty much any human activity. It is like saying, you can't critisize how a house looks because you have never built one.

I agree with this post, and Eboni's as well. I don't think one's "contributions" to SL determines one's right to express an opinion or to criticize someone else, be it LL or the efforts of another resident. We all have a voice. This thread is divisive in nature from the start - it is not much better than the "list people who have touched your SL!" threads - because invariably, it leads to polarization, and this one starts out quite negatively. Someone is left out, or some contribution is overlooked, and hard feelings ensue . What was the point? So someone criticized something? You can't please everyone. No recognition is needed - charity and humility are supposed to go hand in hand.

No you were baiting and I didnt bite. On the contrary, I avoided the inflamatory conduct you seek to incite. Asking me to name names is asking to incite trouble and asking me to violate the CS. So thats a no win argument that you might as well drop.

Jeska's warning resulted from several ARs I and others filed concerning posts made in this thread that contained personal insults, and did not arise from my initial query. For one advocating the right to question and comment, it is initeresting to note that you challenge my right to do just that.

Sometimes when you are late to the party its worth takign the time to observe before making demands.
Thank you Selador. I had a lot of fun with Gypsy and the incredible futuristic city I am working on now with my unimaginative coat tails is also a really fun project with many unimaginative features planned for the SL community.

Actually there is no reason for me to research.

She posed an open question to the whole community, in the "what have you done for me lately" fashion. If she had done any research or knew anything about SL, she would know the entire thing is built by the community, so this thread is just mean spirited, accusatory, divisive, riddled with delusions of grandeur, egomaniacal, and possibly only created to pat oneself on the back.

So I counter the creator of the thread should have done some research or just discussed the topic amongst friends if they didn’t expect any challenges to this inflammatory topic.

I told myself I wouldn't, but meh...


Flying toilets and exploding cows.

I'm starting to smell the stink of selflessness-as-virtue being preached. So I'd better throw in a quick reality check for everyone.

Anyone who claims to have done something solely for the benefit of others, particularly in Second Life, is completely full of it.

Though there are plenty of non-for-profit (or simple unprofitable) ventures in Second Life, and though many of these provide much enjoyment and satisfaction for others besides the owner, these ventures exist because their creators enjoy the act of creating. Second Life is filled with amazing new frontiers, potentials and challenges. Creative people are hooked on pursuing these sorts of things with a greater tenacity than junkies after a long-delayed fix.

Everyone who takes a vast project to completion in SL and opens it for the enjoyment of the community at large deserves respect and admiration -- but not because they're selfless -- that's just a moronic assumption. They deserve respect because it takes some real balls to have an idea and make it happen.

As for helping newbies or providing platforms for the same, this too is far from selfless. The act of education is an obligation that every human being shares equally. Without the willingness of others to share their knowledge, none of us would be the successes we are today. If you're willing to help a newbie get their bearings, you're no saint -- you're a decent human being. If you aren't willing, you're a dick.

What does this have to do with criticism? Absolutely nothing at all. I'm confused at one even being tied to the other. I don't need to have an MA in Culinary Arts or own a restaurant chain to be qualified to tell you that a piece of steak tastes like crap or that Al's Steakhouse isn't worth eating at.

(sorry I think it was the cow that set him off...)

ouch!

Wonderful! This was exactly my point, and was bothered by the accusatory tone of the original post. Well said.

Yeah but you got a closet full of threads to kill for!

So it's all good...

Bring an exploding cow to a flame-fest, what do you expect?

Burning sheep and godless dogs?

Merely icing in the cake, Merwan.

Who are you speaking of ? And if you can't be specific, perhaps the subject doesn't deserve discussion.

As for me, I am, hands down, the best builder in Sehkonde Lyf. How do I know? Because several people have told me so. And like the best of anything, my builds are exceedingly unique, valuable, and rare.

How seriously should you take me? As seriously as I take myself.

Hmm, this is a good point. I wonder against whom the original poster is grinding her axe.

I already asked twice, she wouldn't say

Are you really arguing that unless a name is named a subject cannot be addressed rhetorically? Hmmm...since you are one who understands more than most the value of discretion and anonymity I am surprised to find you taking that postion. Are you CERTAIN that unless names are named a discussion lacks merit?

I think in this instance you've made a thread that's probably about a specific handful of people you've identified in your head. That's how it's sounding, anyway. If that's the case, it's a little dishonest to pretend this is a rhetorical discussion. Also, if you are indeed talking about a few specific individuals, you should probably take it to a PM.

Also, the question was very specifically asked to the forum critics, No? hmmm.. so all who have responded to this thread accepted being a forum critic eager to deride efforts of others? I am confused.

Well, I don't know the original poster, or who she is talking about, but the whole thing resonated with me in that I have somebody who gets on here and follows up my posts with all kinds of personal attacks and non-flattering psychological analysis of me, resulting inevitably with some kind of comment about how that individual long ago gave up on me being any kind of a decent human being.

Then the person generally goes on to say how much fun she is having in WOW.

And that's not the only one. I get the idea that a number of people who post on here really don't play the game much, but rest on their laurels, and get on the forums to put down others who are quite active in SL.

Course I could be wrong . . . she could mean people like me after all, lol.

coco