Done With Second Life!

Sure, the game is kewl. Kick *** game as a matter of fact, but the ***holes that PLAY the game, really **** up the experience.

Starts with TiamaT Titan. He had slot machines, they were hackable, I tell him, to help him out so he doesn't get ripped off, he says not possible, I do it, he hops on before I see him the next day, posts I stole his money before I had a chance to even see him on SL the next day to pay him.

Simple misunderstanding, TiamaT and I made up, and were kewl before he had to leave SL for personal reasons.

Before TiamaT leaves, he gives me some Casino games, made by Jack Digeridoo. He gave them to me, no questions or comments, just "Here you go!". I take them, use them, and sold some. Selling them turned out to be a mistake, as Jack posted a really mean post about me stealing his ****, WITHOUT even coming to talk to me... Calling me all kinds of names. I apologized, deleted the games as Jack requested, although Jack was a complete ***hole about the whoel situation. I didn't know that I wasn't 'allowed' to sell them, there was no notecard in the games stating I couldn't so how was I supposed to know? I didn't want to piss him or anyone else off, and if I knew he was gonna be such a little ***** about the whole thing, then I would have never accepted them from TiamaT in ther first place.

Because of these 2 incidents, I have been tagged. By that I mean, I now have a bad name. I don't like being known as an ***hole when I am not an ***hole.

The TiamaT situation was just me trying to help. TiamaT was one of my first SL friends, so when I discovered the unsecure parts of his slot machines, I wanted to help him out. The Jack deal, was an honest mistake. If hje didn't want them being sold or given away, he should made them non-mod/non-copy or attatched a notecard to them stating not to sale or give away, or tell TiamaT not to sell them or give them away.

So because of all this bull****, I am done... I'm sick of talking to ppl, and them treating me like **** because of mistakes that I have made, that caused CLEARLY over reacted responses.

And for those that WERE kewl in the game, and my friends, none of this is directed towards you guys. I had fun, and you will all be missed.

But what ever, I'm done. Cya all in the Third Life or some ****.

Chance, did you read what you wrote? I think you looked more immature than Jack in that conversation.

I don't know you well at all, but what you've presented doesn't strike me as a shining example of a "good" player. So I conclude; "no big loss to SL as a whole with your departure". Shame to lose players, but appears no great loss here. No offense personally, but this is my take from what you've presented above.

To me, common sense says not to use other's scripts. I've been given tons of scripts by various people. I just delete them if they didn't *write them and expressly give me permission to have a look*. It's common curtiousy and common sense.

Course we all make mistakes too, and sounds like you resolved yours with Tiama, but not with Jack. No surprise there considering the quoted conversation. I wouldn't give ya much slack either if you treated me with such a tone. I would however give you accolades and apologies accepted and returned if you treated me with a little respect (assuming I was in Jack's shoes).

Anywho, good luck to ya.

Bos

Chance, I hate to say it, but that conversation made you look like a royal ass in need of prozac. I understand the first part, maybe, but I really don't appreciate innapropriate accusations mixed with short fuses.

Simple obvious rule: If you didn't make it, don't sell it.

Does that just go for things that were given to you? What about things that you bought that you don't like or don't use anymore. Will people be PO'd if you sell the one original you have?

I know there's plenty of stuff I've bought in the last month that I'm not using and would like to resell just to get back what I paid for it.

JM

This gets discussed a lot. The Lindens have said that it is perfectly acceptable to resell any items you have purchased -- and yet players seem to think it is a de facto rule that you do not do so.

Personally, I think the owner of an object has every right to resell it, and act accordingly, since that is the official Linden stance.

I agree with you Bhodie for the most part. I sold copy/mod games to TiamaT so he could customize them and resell them with copy/mod turned off. This was a deal I had with TiamaT. I didn't expect him to give away copy/mod versions to someone I had rated negativly and muted for very good reason.

I did say sorry on the forums for judging you unfairly Chance, and I thought that would be the end of it. So I'm a little shocked you decide to leave weeks later and blame it on me. I was also very shocked at the profanities you couldn't seem to stop throwing at me at Ama's arcade last night. Shocked that you pulled out your own versions of games that I made and asked me what I thought. If someone doesn't want to talk to you Chance, just move on cause there are lots of other people in SL who would more than love to chat you up.

I do hope you come back Chance because you have the potential to help make SL a better place for everyone.

Since we've sorta hijacked the thread...

I agree totally. If you own it, you should be able to sell it. Maybe there should be a feature whereby if you resell an object, you only get 50% of the proceeds.. the remaining 50% go to the creator.

I agree with Bhodi on this one... LL explicitly encourages SLers to resell. If you don't want someone to reuse, resell, or give away a script or object, leave a comment in the script or set permissions on the object.

For example, I sold a couple of scriptless biplanes in my first weeks in SL. I'd be perfectly happy if someone modifies them and resells them, as long as my names still on them.

Sucks that you're leaving Chance. You really had some hardcore talent. But unfortunately, even I knew that you'd eventually either quit or get booted. There really are certain aspects about you that just turn off other people and I really didn't know anybody who was a genuine friend of yours.

I was wholey accepting of the person you were even after I was once 2 seconds away from reporting your silly ass to the Lindens for trying to extort scripts from me. Luckily I didn't and saw how nice of a person you really can be, although unfortunately terribly misunderstood by others, the same way you were misunderstood by me when I was writing up that abuse report.

I cleared your name with the Lindens, I cleared your name with my closest friends, but I guess that wasn't enough and the unpopular misunderstood side just showed off a little too much. I'm going to miss getting surprised by the scripting genius you have often shown me and will forever respect you for the generosity you've given me with scripting and money. Hell, you've made me feel bad for being too strict with you!

Honestly, I really hope that my post can keep you in-game and hopefully clear your name with others, but once again you've unfortunately made your own post in the misunderstood form that people have gotten used to. If you feel you want to change what it is about yourself which is so misunderstood, I would gladly let you know what exactly I'm talking about, but for now, I really don't want to force you to change at all and making such a list of things would look more like a flame than help.

Hope you continue to hack your way through life, it looks like a lot of fun. Maybe I'll cya later? It's up to you, I'll still be here.

Sorry to see you go Chance, you were always a gentleman with me. I never believed that you scammed Tiamat's machines. In fact I was there in One's club while you and Tiamat were there. You told Tiamat his slots were vulnerable and that you'd work on it, and he agreed.

I also believe you had EVERY right to use and sell those machines! They belonged to Tiamat, he gave them to you, they were yours. Anyone and everyone has the right to resell anything they buy. NOT make copies and sell them as originals, but if I had a no-copy thing I didnt use anymore, I have the right to sell it or give it away.

Take care Chance. Miss ya.

I too hope you change your mind Chance. Though I've only met you a couple of times I've been really impressed by your scripting skills and was looking forward to seeing what cool new and innovative stuff you might come up with. The first time I played one of your slots I was blown away by how fast and smoothly the number spinners worked. I'd never seen anyone else's work that well and it impressed the hell out of me.

I think there are tons of people (probably the vast majority) in SL who don't judge people by hearsay from others, but only by their own dealings with them. I know that's how I try to be. There's always lots of drama around here as is to be expected when you get a large group of creative brainiacs together. When in world arguments turn into forum flamefests I read them just like everyone else, but I always know I wasn't there and won't just take anyone's side of it as gospel unless I was there and involved. I think most people have that much common sense, at least.

There are definitely people in SL who don't apply that common sense and like to get a wild hair up their ass and slander people or spread misinformation. I've known people who've had their reputations tarnished simply by being known to hang out with someone that got on a well known player's shit list. It's always the people who overreact who make all the noise and that can make it seem like all of SL is swayed by it, but I don't think that's ultimately true. I think most people are like me, and just judge people by their own interactions with them.

Anyway, this is just my thoughts on the subject and not an assessment of what happened between you and Jack. That's between you and Jack, and from the transcript neither one of you are gonna win any awards for diplomacy, hehe.

Since you're obviously a very talented guy what I'd most like to see happen is for you to code something completely kick ass that no one's ever seen before. Then no one can accuse you of anything. They'll have no choice but to just sit back and be impressed

Chance, I wish you the best wherever your travels lead you. I’m sorry to see you go.

I hope I meet you again, either in this game or somewhere else. (8

TiamaT did not own them. I licensed them to him under strict conditions which he violated by giving away copy/mod versions. Chance had already gotten in my bad books, he could have refused the machines and concentrated his talent on a project that made SL more fun for everyone. Not just for himself.

Quite unfair there, how was he to know? Someone he thought was a friend gave him open mod games and told him nothing about not being able to use them as he sees fit.

Part of this I think is a problem with the permissions system of old. The new one is much more powerful, but it raises a question: should there be a 'Next Next Owner' level of permissions? If the Next owner can mod, copy and transfer, should there be a built in way to say they can only transfer non-mod, noncopy items?

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Guess the simple thing to ask is did Tiamat tell Chance that he didn't actually own the things when he gave them to Chance? If not, then it's not Chances fault, and he would have had no reason to refuse them.

If Tiamat had told Chance "hey here's some gambling machines, I don't own them, so I'm sort of stealing them by giving them to you" then it's a whole different story isn't it?

From what was said last time around, a lot of people feel it was the second thing that happened, but from what I read, and after knowing Chance, I believe the first one. I don't know nor care how he got in your 'bad books', but I heard all the dirt of the boards, and I don't believe it,

Because I told him I wanted nothing to do with him, I muted him, rated him negativly and asked him to stop bothering me for issues unrelated to reselling my games. If all these things happen to you, you can move along and try to make friends with someone else, or you can keep pushing peoples buttons. Chance opted for the later.

Jack did you ask him to stop asking you for questions? I've, on many occasions, over-reacted to people who didn't even realize they were annoying me.

Just a thought.

Hate to see you go Chance, especially with such a bad taste in your mouth.

You helped me tremendously when I first started and are a good friend. I hope this isn't permanent and that I will see you in world again.

Just wanted to say thank you for your generosity and friendship.

Cheers.

You do not need to call Chance names and critique his post. But instead eat the meat of the message and spit out the bones.

Chance has a message that is emotional and has obviosuly upset him. Calling him names and such only proves what he said true.

What motivates you all to respond in such harsh ways to people?

It's so much easier to be mean, but far harder to be nice.

Why respond hatefully to someone that has told you how they are hurt?

Chance, I believe you are a nice person and have been nice to me when encountered in the world. Sorry to see you go.

If someone does not like my message. Please do me a favor and not attack me or rate me negatively in SL.

Briana Dawson

Uhm, can I have your stuff? Oh, wait, this isn't EQ. Nope, nope... if I can't have your stuff ya gotta stay. Please?

chance small, don't you quit this game now.

you can stay at my place. relax. take a deep breath. then get back out there amongst em. i saw in you that person who can be mis-understood easily. i did not like you on our first meeting. i thought you a braggart and at the least you were exaggerating claims. then. no. you were not a braggart. you did not exaggerate claims. you were what you claimed.
SL needs people who do things bigger than life chance. heh. i think its what the potential in sl is for.

you were always good to me and mine chance and a gentleman.

don't leave.

marilyn murphy
club vogue dancer

I do not know Chance very well, but the few encounters I had with him were great - he was very nice to me. I too had read the "Chance Small stole money from me, stole my items, stole my children, stole my car" postings prior to having met him, and was a little wary at first. I found him to be none of those things. I hope he does stay in the game - he is very talented and one of those people you have strong reactions to, which you need around to keep some balance.

I agree with Briana in that it seems the message of Chance's posting was lost. It is not up to anyone to critique someone else's post, which I see really often on these boards. There seems to be a smugness among certain people who post on here, and it is quite annoying to constantly see them bash someone in one thread or another because they disagree. I will not point out who they are, as I have more class than to single someone out.

Granted, Chance's message was dulled a bit by expletives, but given the way he has been treated, I think he should have thrown in a few f words for good measure. He is obviously angry and hurt by the way he has been treated. Personal gripes between players where the player is specifically named have no place in a public forum, yet Chance has been dragged through the mud on here. It is sad to see, and I am sorry to see Chance go. I hope cooler heads prevail and he decides to stick around.

Speaking on Chance's behalf; He DID give those children back.