Federal Judge refuses to order feeding tube re-connected

Expect the parents of Terry Schiavo have thru their years of legal battles have been denying the phyiscal to end. If a human's cortex is liquidated, the laws of nature that God set down for us dictate that the human body dies.

I say we let Terry Schiavo make the decision to live...and if she can't make that decision, let God (or whatever being or non-existence you believe in) decide if her body should live on or if it should pass on.

And Alby, I feel you have a bad case of self-righteousness, an overly simplistic view of a very deep set of morals, and a lack of common sense. But you can have a cookie.

NO cookies for him. He shapes up, he can have a cookie.

She's already the living dead, though. We're allowing her to live long past the time when she would have died on her own.

Eeep! Izta Cookie Nazi!

But doesn't it say in the Bible, "If someone strikes your face, turn the other chocolate chip?" Oh, wait, maybe that's just in my annontated copy....

thats the revised cookie monster bible...

Amen brother. That means if God wants her to live, she will live without 50 man-made tubes inserted in her body. If she is disconnected and dies, that means the Lord wanted her by his side.

It was God's will that put her in that condition and by unnaturally prolonging her life we challenge the will of God. I shall rejoice when all those people that want to make doctors go against God, rot in hell for eternity.

Tito

Remember that the next time you need to go in for *ANY* medical treatment. If you follow that thinking, you should not ever see a doctor or seek any medical treatment nor should you see your dentist, physical therapist, etc.

I am told God is all-loving, he would never allow me to get sick, so I will not need doctors.

I am told God is all-powerful, if I do get sick, he will cure me at a snap of his fingers.

Tito

Is this tongue-in-cheek, or are you serious?

This is why we have laws: to figure out what to do when people can't agree. The laws of the state of Florida -- like the laws of the state of Texas that Bush signed while he was governor -- say that the husband gets to make this decision. He's made the decision. He's been backed up by a variety of medical professionals. For years upon years of litigation, the courts have reaffirmed both the medical facts that support the husband's decision and the legal standing that gives him the right to make the decision. That should be the end of the story.

The part I don't get is where Congress decides they have standing to get involved. Does anyone feel better about the prospect of Congress making their medical decisions for them? Anyone?

Gotcha!

T

Been to Iraq lately?

Hospice

A program that provides palliative care and attends to the emotional and spiritual needs of terminally ill patients at an inpatient facility or at the patient's home.


For 15 years, Terri has been in hospice. People are put there, pending death.

Bush, as a Texas Governor:
"Texas Futile Care Law" - he signed into law, allowing hospitals to remove feeding tubes on permanent vegetative state patients when there is no hope of recovery.

Bush, as US President:
I'm going to waste my @#^%&ing time flip-flopping on this issue and demanding the feeding tube be reinserted, rather than deal with North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Syria, pollution, unemployment, 10 million illegal aliens, social security reform, penal system reform, global diseases, global hunger, domestic poverty, China's trade abuses and huma rights violations, the continued threat of invasion of Taiwan, the continued abusive occupation of Tibet, AIDS, cancer, drunk driving, gun-related crimes, the War on Drugs, struggling international relations with our allies, or tens of thousands of other issues that are more important than a lack-of-living-will power-of-attorney case.

Who would you rather trust? Medical proffesionals or people who think science is against God, I mean a lot of them don't even believe in evolution. Yet they expect science to keep her body alive?

The poor parents, desperate to hang on to anything, are vunerable and are being taken in by these people with their own screwed up agendas.

When Hospice first began, it was to allow people to die in their homes with dignty and surrournded by the people who love them.

Hospice people are the most compassionate wonderful people that I have ever met in my entire life.

The physical care for a person who is severely ill is all consuming. They constantly need to be turned, bathed, catheters need to be cleaned and re-inserted, pain medication administered and countless other things. It can take an enormous toll on the caregiver.

I cannot imagine what hell it would have been for my mother had the hospice people not been there to teach me how to take care of her and to help her fight the doctors to get the pain medication that she needed. They also helped us mentally accept that we were going to lose her and just sat and talked for hours with her and I.

Because she also had two children under the age of 10, they helped my brothers understand what was happening. They helped me keep custody of them after she died.

Had it not been for hospice we could not have kept her at home, which was her greatest wish.

Until you have had to watch someone die slowly and suffer the pain and indignity of all that is done to them you cannot understand that sometimes continuing to live is a far more cruel fate than death.

When she was first diagnosed and I would take her for her treatments we would see people with terminal conditions in the hospital that were in such extreme pain that they were begging for someone to end their life.

Once she turned to me and said "Don't you dare be such a chickenshit (her favorite word) and let this happen to me, when it comes my time, let me go."

I honored those wishes. I understand completely where her husband is coming from. I also understand the agony of wondering if you are making the right decision and having nightmares about the possibility that there might have been one more thing that could have been done, but you didn't do it.

In retrospect - having gone through a serious illness myself, I know exactly what I would want and it isn't to linger in a painful or vegatative state and I hope when my time comes that my husband has the courage to carry out my wishes.

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And this is why I voted for Kerry. Bush (take your choice, Dubya or Jeb) is either:

A) a damned bully, who cannot stand a person making a different choice than he would *so* much that he will 'rewrite' the law to block thier freedoms.

B) A buttmonkey of the extremist neo-conservatives and evangelical theocrats.

When Barbara falls into a persistant vegatative state, *then* he has a choice. Until then, he should keep his political ambitions and his overly long nose out of the issue.

Now the U.S. Surpreme Court has refused to even look at the case

As they had already done before.

Yes, appeal courts only work if the previous judges made errors. In this case, they didn't.

Things are going to get progressively stranger here in South Florida because Prince Bush has ordered the DCF (Department of Child Protection in Florida) to seize Terry Schiavo so it appears that earlier this morning, the state police were on their way to pick her up. In the meantime, the judge who ordered her feeding tube removed blocked the DCF and ordered County Sheriffs already guarding Schiavo to not allow her to be removed.

So it looks like State Law Enforcement is suddenly going to go against County Law Enforcement. The judge noted that Executive order is not greater than judicial order.

Sadly, this reminds me of a chess game and Terry Schiavo is the queen that one side or the other is trying to capture and her husband and parents are pawns who have already been knocked out of the game.

The entire politicalization of this womans illness and death is so disgusting that I can only hope the residents of Florida remember it come election time regardless of what they think should happen to Terry Schiavo.


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The US Supreme Court hasn't made any ruling yet....it isn't expected until friday morning but from all accounts they will not hear the case.

Terri's parents need a wake up call here. At practically every christian oriented wedding, what are the first words that comes out of the priest/minister/pastor. No, it's not "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today". It is "Who giveth this woman to be married to this man"?. The FATHER responds by saying "I do" and presents the bride to the groom's side.

What does this mean? Clearly, the parents absolve the bride of dependancy and relinquish those rights to the couple themselves. This is not done for show, it is done to imply a legal contract before the law AND god.

Special interest groups, polititians, judges and yes, parents have no precedent to over-rule this contract.

They did Talen, they refused ( I add again) to hear the case this morning.