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Are Events Rigged? Themed Contest or Popularity Contest?

Blake Rockwell
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12-02-2004 06:48
I've been noticing some outright unfair contest outcomes. I go to a club for a contest say for Example like last night..Best dressed in White Male and Female..Well..the majority of my costume was White..Elvis Costume.. a couple other males have majority white as well...a couple shows up dressed in Santa Costumes..the Majority is Red. The Male Wins. I ask.."I thought this was a Best dressed in White Event?" I get various replies one saying.."What can I say..I guess he is most popular." Ok..I can deal with that..but; I think if you are going to have a specific Event based on these circumstances..in order to be fair with everyone involved..it should be posted as a Popularity Contest..otherwise have non-partisan Judges to make fair Judgements based on that particular theme criteria. Just my opinion. Not because I didn't win..so don't spin it...only because it should be fair to others as well based on the Theme of the Contest.
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Jacqueline Richelieu
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12-02-2004 07:15
Are events rigged?

Duh.

Lol.
Blake Rockwell
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12-02-2004 07:18
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
Are events rigged?

Duh.

Lol.


Well..if they are..it certainly isn't gonna make me want to participate.
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Jacqueline Richelieu
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12-02-2004 07:20
From: Blake Rockwell
Well..if they are..it certainly isn't gonna make me want to participate.


Think about it... if you're getting free money from the Lindens who ya gonna give it to? Some stranger or your friends?

Human nature.
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Kris Ritter
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12-02-2004 07:24
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
Think about it... if you're getting free money from the Lindens who ya gonna give it to? Some stranger or your friends?

Human nature.


Hey! We've been using a really similar argument against player governments! Who bets that Blake's drama thread here gets turned into a fight about those? :p
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Blake Rockwell
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12-02-2004 07:24
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
Think about it... if you're getting free money from the Lindens who ya gonna give it to? Some stranger or your friends?

Human nature.


You give it out fairly based on the Theme of the Event..if you're going to have a popularity Contest..STATE IT. Otherwise a real Theme based event should have judges..and not base the outcome on participants in the clubs that are friends. I can understand voting on your girlfriend..that's human nature..to get around the issue..use Judges.
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David Valentino
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12-02-2004 07:24
Well, what do you expect of folks? If someone shows up and enters a contest and he has alot of friends there, his chances to win the contest will of course be improved. Not much the event host can do about this if winning depends upon popular vote.

Generally I feel people typically vote for who they honestly feel is the winner, but I've also seen (and hosted) the occasions where the person that had the most friends present won. But as the host, I was honor bound to just count up the votes and announce the winner.

So saying it's a popularity contest would be a bit presumptious. Who knows how folks will vote or how many friends a person will have present. And who knows how many hosts are honest in their vote counting..
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Blake Rockwell
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12-02-2004 07:27
From: David Valentino
Well, what do you expect of folks? If someone shows up and enters a contrst and he has alot of friends there, his chances will to win the contest will of course be improved. Not much the evernt host can do about this if winning depends upon popular vote.

Generally I feel people typically vote for who they honestly feel is the winner, but I've also seen (and hosted) the occasions where the person that had the most friends present won. But as the host, I was honor bound to just count up the votes and announce the winner.

So saying it's a popularity contest would be a bit presumptious. Who knows how folks will vote or how many friends a person will have present.


That's exactly my point..if you're having it based on Popularity and not Truely Theme based state it, otherwise use Judges..or then it is based on friendship and popularity and or who brings the most friends to the Club.
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Jacqueline Richelieu
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12-02-2004 07:30
From: Blake Rockwell
You give it out fairly based on the Theme of the Event..if you're going to have a popularity Contest..STATE IT. Otherwise a real Theme based event should have judges..and not base the outcome on participants in the clubs that are friends. I can understand voting on your girlfriend..that's human nature..to get around the issue..use Judges.


LOL!!! Lets see... who would attend an event if it was STATED it was a popularity contest. Also, using judges does not eliminate this - who will likely be the judge(s)? Probably friends of the event sponsor.... and what is to prevent judges from picking their friends?

Sample Event using your logic:

Elvis Lookalive Contest
1st Prize L$500
2nd Prize L$250

Note: This is a popularity contest and the winner may or may not look like Elvis.

Hope to see you all there!

:D
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12-02-2004 07:31
I don't attend them :o
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Lecktor Hannibal
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12-02-2004 07:33
I run the Tribal Drums fair and un-biased. I allow participants to vote for themselves if they like, and this rarely happens ! Modesty on their part or what I don't know. This is probably a fairly dangerous thread Blake. Thanks for the stereotyping though, I was getting bored.
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Blake Rockwell
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12-02-2004 07:33
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
LOL!!! Lets see... who would attend an event if it was STATED it was a popularity contest. Also, using judges does not eliminate this - who will likely be the judge(s)? Probably friends of the event sponsor.... and what is to prevent judges from picking their friends?

Sample Event using your logic:

Elvis Lookalive Contest
1st Prize L$500
2nd Prize L$250

Note: This is a popularity contest and the winner may or may not look like Elvis.

Hope to see you all there!

:D


There's the spin..identified..the contest was best in white..not Best Dressed Elvis. The Elvis constume was irrelevant..Best in white was relevant and that was the intention I comprehended.
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Pendari Lorentz
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12-02-2004 07:36
I personally always vote for who I think *should* win when I go to a contest where there is random voting. Sure I would love for my friends to win, but I don't think it is fair for me to vote for someone just because I like them.

It is a challenge to hosts that run these types of competitions though. It is going to happen from time to time even if it shouldn't. Now if I were to go on a regular basis to one person's event, and felt that it was always a popularity contest and not a true to "theme", etc. Contest, then I would just stop attending those persons events.

I also try hard to create events myself that do not have to use this method of voting. Solves the problem of me having to feel bad awarding the prize to someone who while a great person, didn't really deserve to win.

PS: Everyone always assumes people vote for me in contests. So I never win because everyone wants to give someone else a chance. So feel free to vote for me if you ever get the urge and think I truely deserve to win! *wink* J/K!! haha.. I do win from time to time. :p
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12-02-2004 07:38
Blake,

I'm surprised you haven't discovered that Events are a GREAT way to generate large quantities of money.

Here's how it is being gamed:

Suppose 3 Friends collaborate to host events. Between the 3, they host two events each day. At each event, they recieve Linden funding for their "contest", which the host funnels to a different collaborator. Supposing they receive the minimum Linden funding of L$500, thats L$7,000 per week. Not a bad living for a few minutes worth of work each day.

~Jaq
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12-02-2004 07:39
Okay, am I displaying a dose of logics here, or... If it's an event similar to the example given in this thread - what DOES prevent the organizer from saying "sorry, most votes went to X, but as X's costume doesn't match the theme of this contest, he's automatically out, and the prize thus gets to Y who got the most votes after X"?

I don't see how *this* would be unfair or partial - it's just following guidelines, after all, and if those who voted for X just wanted to kiss some asses and/or couldn't read the event's theme properly, their fault only.
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12-02-2004 07:41
From: Pendari Lorentz
PS: Everyone always assumes people vote for me in contests. So I never win because everyone wants to give someone else a chance. So feel free to vote for me if you ever get the urge and think I truely deserve to win! *wink* J/K!! haha.. I do win from time to time. :p


I always vote for you Pen because you're teh sexay!

*cough* I mean, I vote for whoever deserves to win too.

Um. Yeah. And, Uh. No, I don't think events are rigged. I see no one playing favorites. Nuhuh.
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12-02-2004 07:42
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Okay, am I displaying a dose of logics here, or... If it's an event similar to the example given in this thread - what DOES prevent the organizer from saying "sorry, most votes went to X, but as X's costume doesn't match the theme of this contest, he's automatically out, and the prize thus gets to Y who got the most votes after X"?

I don't see how *this* would be unfair or partial - it's just following guidelines, after all, and if those who voted for X just wanted to kiss some asses and/or couldn't read the event's theme properly, their fault only.


I agree with you Tanaquil. When it is a clear cut case like this, if I were receiving votes for someone I knew was not in the theme, I would restart the voting after announcing that people need to make sure they are voting within the theme and not just for xx reason. After that though, I would take what votes I was given. Again, it would have to be pretty clear cut that people were not voting on whatever theme it was though.
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12-02-2004 07:42
From: Tanaquil Karuna
what DOES prevent the organizer from saying "sorry, most votes went to X, but as X's costume doesn't match the theme of this contest, he's automatically out, and the prize thus gets to Y who got the most votes after X"?


Cuz then people would come on the forums and put drama posts about hosts fixing their contests and disqualifying people unfairly.
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12-02-2004 07:43
From: Kris Ritter
Cuz then people would come on the forums and put drama posts about hosts fixing their contests and disqualifying people unfairly.


Too late, its already being done. Blake just decided to be the one who talks about the 700 pound elephant sitting in the room.
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12-02-2004 07:44
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
Blake,

I'm surprised you haven't discovered that Events are a GREAT way to generate large quantities of money.

Here's how it is being gamed:

Suppose 3 Friends collaborate to host events. Between the 3, they host two events each day. At each event, they recieve Linden funding for their "contest", which the host funnels to a different collaborator. Supposing they receive the minimum Linden funding of L$500, thats L$7,000 per week. Not a bad living for a few minutes worth of work each day.

~Jaq


umm..ok..what does that have to do with the issue? lol.
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12-02-2004 07:46
From: Blake Rockwell
umm..ok..what does that have to do with the issue? lol.


Make the connection Einstein, the reason *some* events exist is to pass free money to friends. In addition to popularity contests. Maybe thats why you didn't win.

Or maybe it cuz you're not that popular. :p Ok, j/k about that one.
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12-02-2004 07:47
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
Too late, its already being done. Blake just decided to be the one who talks about the 700 pound elephant sitting in the room.


Yes. He has a particular skill for sniffing out those elusive little details, though. So who can blame him for wanting to pry the lids right off these secret cans o' worms?
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12-02-2004 07:50
From: Kris Ritter
Yes. He has a particular skill for sniffing out those elusive little details, though. So who can blame him for wanting to pry the lids right off these secret cans o' worms?


Heh heh... Blake Rockwell... investigative reporter!
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12-02-2004 07:50
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
Make the connection Einstein, the reason *some* events exist is to pass free money to friends. In addition to popularity contests. Maybe thats why you didn't win.

Or maybe it cuz you're not that popular. :p Ok, j/k about that one.


If that's the intent..it is rigged.
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