Dignity

I didn't write that, the people of London did. Maybe you could take this up with them and the BBC.

Also if we're trading war medals I popped into London a couple of days before the bombs, and used the tube, but so what...

You know Jsecure, as you've gone on you've become more vociferous and more antagonistic and whilst, to begin with, there was some merit in what you said and I was willing to discuss it openly and honestly, the longer you've gone on the more you've reduced your viewpoint to one of just shouting at people who don't agree with your appraisal of their, or other people's, actions. It's also become clear that you have near total distaste and dislike for anybody who dares to be saddened and upset by events, a black and white viewpoint I feel is the extreme opposite of the extreme I thought you were intitially discussing (although now, I think you're not talking about an exteme of mourning, you're talking about anybody who expresses sadness and upset at events in the world).

I'm starting to find your extreme viewpoint quite repulsive I'm sorry to say, and I wish that you would cease pressing your views by suggesting that that's the way all Brits are. Personally, as a Brit, I would like to distance myself a great deal from your continuing words.

I'm sorry I just don't see what that matters that the previous poster says they were in a square in London. I was on the tube a few days before the blast. Approx 200,000 londoners were on the tube system the morning of the blast.

I'm not *disagreeing* or attacking anyone, the previous poster said I shouldn't talk for London, yet the article I posted was full of viewpoints of Londoners written by Londoners. That's not my words.

Fair is fair, I'm not attacking anyone.

Here's a question, why do you come here and post such a personal attack on me, why not just say what you have to say calmly, without getting personal? Or perhaps you came here to attack me? Maybe all threads are destined to end up in personal attacks in the end.

It wasn't my intention to trade war medals...and I don't presume that what the BBC sees fit to put on their website is necessarily the truth any more than what I read here. I merely meant that I don't need to read that website to know what Londoners think, I am surrounded by them...some are grief stricken, some are matter of fact, some feel like they deserve a medal for a short tube journey, others assume they are safer than they were the day before the bombs.

I think it is dangerous to generalise, and wrong to judge, and that's all I was saying.

And boy, I would hate to think that the world think all Londoners think like you do.
Cali

Well, I am from the matter of fact camp.

I've probably said at least once already though that I expect some of the people who were on the tubes to be grief stricken having been there and seen the carnage. That's common sense.

Keep a stiff upper lip, be matter-of-fact about it, just bury the bodies and don't talk about it anymore. Just go to work the next day as if nothing happened.

Right. Some would view this attitude as a symptom of denial, especially when it comes with an increasingly shrill tone as one continues to admonish others that they can't possibly be really upset, I'm not upset, you people over there certainly have no reason to be upset, etc.

I don't know you, so I can't say this is what's going on with you, JSecure. It's how it looks to me. And you know, that's just exactly as valid as your views on the emotional reactions others have.

Now, my view . . . it hurts me when I see in graphic detail or have enough information to visualize how other people are suffering, and it has nothing to do with what country they're in or how far away they may be. And if someone takes on particularly badly because of a tragedy like this, even if they have not been, as near as I can see, directly affected . . . well, I have no idea what else has gone on in their lives. Maybe there's something specific about the situation, even some small detail, that is related to something in their own lives -- with which they identify strongly. You just can't know.

I've never been near a bomb blast, but I have been in a major earthquake. I saw nothing that could possibly be an overreaction -- some people would still shriek if someone walked across the floor upstairs and there was a minor shudder in a chandelier, and I can't blame them. Others . . . heck, seconds after the earthquake stopped, I got out from under the counter that had fallen on me, gathered up my letters off the floor, looked around at the panicking people who were crying and waving their hands, and thought to myself, "Gee, these people seem to be too upset to mail my letters." Then I went to the grocery store, only to find the front windows all crashed in, the stock all broken in the aisles, and all the shoppers and staff flipping out in the parking lot. I was annoyed I couldn't get my groceries, and went home. See, I was in shock. The freaking out came later, after it sunk in.

I suspect some of those people who just went about their business after the bombing in London will show a bit more of a reaction after the shock wears off. There's no shame in being upset, or showing it, when something terrible happens . . . and I think it can be very bad -- unhealthy -- for someone to not face their feelings and to try to bury them.

See, I don't want to fall apart on account of three bombs in London. And thanks for your diagnosis, but I don't think I'm in denial either. I doubt I'm going to fall apart randomly in a few days, or months. And I wouldn't like to go talk about it on "the couch" with some psychiatrist.

I don't know. If a person is determined to break down in tears each time something bad happens in the world, there's not too much I can do about it. But I'll be much happier just getting on with life than stopping all the time to flood some tears. And I'll never understand why the people that behave that way do what they do.

And I still think it's creepy. And I'm not the only one. But I'm going to stop arguing the point now cause I think the original point I was making has kind of slipped away in the progression of the thread. But I still think people crying out for crying's sake is creepy. I'm not ever going to decide that's a good thing.

It should be in history books - it is history. Though, with time, it will be merely a sidenote - probably to the larger topic of terrorism. That is said with no disrespect meant to family/friends whose lives were changed by the bombings.

I think that what people object to, and rightly so IMHO, is the sensationalist approach to events like this. I'd be a little hot under the collar if some media outlets were trying to sensationalize my relatives/friends death - wouldn't you?


Yes, Coco, we do much good, but we should also be aware of and own up to our bad behavior. It exists and there's plenty of it. It may not be the shocking type of bad behavior we see from other countries (genocide, subjugation of women, etc.) but it exists in a much more quiet, underlying (some might say underhanded) way.

I'm not trying to paint America as the sinister head of the axis of evil, but I'm certainly not going to brush off our bad deeds.

We should remember and own them and by doing so, we are much more likely to never repeat them.

Agreed, Juro.

But about the news - I don't think it's really a matter of sensationalizing. In my view, most news tends to last as long as as it tends to last. (Or go as deeply as it tends to go.)

coco

Hands down... worst named thread

Well sorry, but I will do whatever I can to get some quiet dignity for people who were after all my countrymen, no matter what you think.

How about the dignity of those who are mourning the tragic loss of life from our fellow human beings?

You think your right to mourn is greater than the right of the dead to a respect and dignity after death? You wish to say "never mind those poor dead English men, I want to mourn damnit"?

I am not amused by that.

What happens on the 11th day of the 11th month, at the 11th hour? We all shut up to be silent and think of those who died in WW1. That's what I want for the dead and their families, some peace and quiet so they can be in peace during their difficult time. I don't want a circus over these dead people. I want those people to go out with dignity. I am angered by your assumption your need to ... I don't know what ... is more important than to give these people their dignity in death.

And you think for some reason you have the right to tell people what they are SUPPOSED to feel. Sorry if you have a cold heart my dear... but I don't and have compassion for my fellow human beings.

Oh, and who the hell said that it wasn't dignified to mourn the dead? Get a grip!!!

mmmkay... but perfectly ok for you to create a circus in this thread...

illogical... does not compute... will self distruct in 30 seconds

Everyone else had kind of started to leave this thread alone... There's something in most of us that says leave this subject in peace, walk away. I'm sure those who really do want to mourn are doing it right now, in their own space and time.

You want to come have a go at me, using these poor victims as an excuse? You make me sick.

Take a hint, and just back away. I don't think it's good to argue about the dead. Leave the whole subject be. What do you hope to achieve by having a go at me anyway?

Then take your own advice and just walk away... simple as that... or stay and be hypocritical... your choice.

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Then what the fark are you doing it for?

I agree about walking away because some people are just hartless and there is no changing there hart to be warm.

As for being sick? I think you are calling the wrong person sick. It's the person with the cold hart that is really sick.

Lets let this thread die in it's hartlessness.

Very intellectual response... lol… nice going... lol… that is more perfect than anything I could possibly say... lol… everyone can plainly see what kind of person you are… lol… ty for that

Agreed Lupo... nice post

You're like the human equivalent of a hyena...