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Juro Kothari
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06-14-2004 12:59
clickey clickey

Now this looks like a fun movie!
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06-14-2004 13:49
LMFAO I am so watching this!

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06-14-2004 15:04
My favorite quotes:

"its gonna be good for business, bad for the people" - no idea who he was

and

"this is an impressive crowd... the haves and the have mores. some people call you the elite, i call you my base" - G.W. Bush
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06-14-2004 15:12
haha I soooooo can't wait to see this movie!
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06-14-2004 18:51
"Quite a crowd we have here... the haves, and the have mores"

"Some people may call you the elite... I call you my base"

They were my 2 faves :)

There is no way on earth I will miss this movie - but I won't be forgetting my BUCKET OF SALT to take with it.
Because first and foremost Micheal is an entertainer - he wants you to think and discuss, but first he's gonna show you something in the funniest light possible - even if that means stretching the tale a little.

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06-14-2004 20:06
I REALLY want to see this movie. I found that iTunes has the trailer at a really good download rate, so check that out if the main site does not work. It also offers it in 3 sizes. I got to see Michael Moore give a lecture in real life and he was great. I'm a huge fan of his movies and books. This one looks like it should be an intersting film.
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Garoad Kuroda
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06-14-2004 20:17
I assume it's categoried as a comedy?
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06-14-2004 21:20
It's considered a documentary, not a comedy, although he has a knack for showing humor in even the most un-funny things. Anyone who's seen a Michael Moore film before knows it's more of a polemic than a pure documentary. He is a very rigorous researcher though. You're very unlikely to see anything in this movie that isn't well backed up by fact. It's the interpretation of the facts that he makes no pretense of objectivity about.
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Ishtar Pasteur
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06-15-2004 07:36
So true Chip...Not to mention that the truth makes for the best comedy...that is why ethnic comedy within an ethnicity is so funny because you can actually see it in your life...the oh my that is exactly like my auntie yenta reaction. G dubbya's administration's actions and reactions are so comical because it is so much easier to laugh than it is to cry. I venture to guess that there is more truth in Micheal Moore's documentary than in any public speech given by this administration.

The truth is always more entertaining than fiction...man boggles his own mind.
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06-15-2004 08:00
I have to admit it looks good but Michael Moore is way to left for me, I think he is biased sometimes in his views and the thing at the Oscars was way out of line.
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06-15-2004 08:07
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Originally posted by Ishtar Pasteur
The truth is always more entertaining than fiction...man boggles his own mind.


And half-a-truth is more entertaining, still.
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06-15-2004 08:36
After reading his 'Stupid White Men' I hadn't realized how inflamatory he can be, but like it's been said here - that's his job.
I don't think he pulls facts and figures out of thin air though and in the end I often feel thankful (or we all should in some regard) that we have guys like this around to show us things we would might not want to look at. After all, this is the heart of what free speach is about.
Lucidus Donovan
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06-15-2004 19:58
Amusing that Moore is going to be making so much money off of the 9/11 tragedy with his blooper reel.

I'm concerned about this "documentary" after it was revealed that bowling for columbine wasnt a true documentary and that actors were paid.

Does this movie count as soft money for kerry ?
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06-15-2004 22:23
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Originally posted by Lucidus Donovan
Amusing that Moore is going to be making so much money off of the 9/11 tragedy with his blooper reel.


He doesn't even show the planes hitting the buildings, unlike every news channel that's played the footage eight million times. 9/11 is just a bit player in this story. I'd much rather have someone make money by opening up some facts that our media is too corrupt and lazy to investigate themselves than to continue hearing nothing but the fear mongering we've gotten for the past four years Go Michael Moore!
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06-15-2004 22:36
Lazy -- not really... corrupt, in most cases... but I'd say more 'interest driven'.

Having worked long enough in News to know the ins and outs of how the industry works, I'll gladly answer questions on how it all works..

News is about getting people to watch -- whats the best way to get them to? Fear. Fear is a very powerful thing..

Heres something you can do anywhere in the country to demonstrate -- channelsurf you local news stations starting around 15 minutes before the shows until the show open (the 'cold open' as it's called)...

Count how many stories they tease in a manner that tells you something will hurt/kill/maim you, and how watching their show will give you some insight on how to avoid this horrible fate.

Over the course of a week you'll come up with around about 2/3rds of the above, and 1/3 'cat in tree' 'silly duck owns mall' or 'man in klingon costume marries banana tree'

This is why that footage was shown coast to coast over and over -- it's rather insidious, but thats corporate news.

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Garoad Kuroda
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06-15-2004 23:20
The comedy remark was actually a wiseass one. It should be categorized as comedy. Connections with the Bush family to Osama Bin Laden? Is that what this movie tries to "uncover"? Give me a break...sanity is no longer with the extreme left. The only ones believing this crap are people who think the administration are a bunch of liars just looking out for their own bank accounts--and I have nothing more to say to someone who thinks this. The president does not get people killed for his own political gain--period. People like Saddam and the Taliban do.

Siggy's right about the news. It's about the ratings. It also gets better ratings to report the bad news, in the mideast for example, and ignore the good news because it doesn't attract attention--and there is plenty of good news they don't talk about.

Michael Moore is a fat slob college dropout who got a lucky break getting into his "business", whatever that is. If he wasn't lucky enough to get the fame he has now, he'd probably be working at a Wendy's drive through window. The guy is a walking presidential campaign commercial. Anyone denying that he has an agenda (to get John Kerry elected, at this point) creating these propaganda movies is in denial themselves. Obviously, you're not going to get any objectivity from someone like this.

As a "movie", it's a PAY FOR political ad, and a DAMN biased one at that. He should be paying US for having to watch it. Especially if his nasty looking mug is going to be shown on it--who wants to look at that for two hours?

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He should be filed in the same category as Moveon.org which is just a John Kerry re-election group. Uhoh--not allowed to donate any more to Kerry's campaign fund? Just donate to moveon.org! It'll still go towards getting Kerry elected but it's (technically) legal! And it even allows foreign contributions to US presidential elections to be possible! (Otherwise they'd be illegal.) I believe most of moveon.org's funding comes from non-US sources, which would basically mean that Europeans and other non-US citizens are trying to influence our elections. Gee thanks for the help... :rolleyes: could you go back to lining your pockets with UN oil for food programs now?

Please don't anyone respond with a stupid comment like "Well the US has no problem with influencing other's governments." Yes it's true we don't like Talibans and Saddams. Sorry for trying to kill them dictators...you can have them back if you want.
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06-16-2004 00:06
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Originally posted by Garoad Kuroda
The comedy remark was actually a wiseass one. It should be categorized as comedy. Connections with the Bush family to Osama Bin Laden? Is that what this movie tries to "uncover"? Give me a break...sanity is no longer with the extreme left. The only ones believing this crap are people who think the administration are a bunch of liars just looking out for their own bank accounts--and I have nothing more to say to someone who thinks this. The president does not get people killed for his own political gain--period. People like Saddam and the Taliban do.

Siggy's right about the news. It's about the ratings. It also gets better ratings to report the bad news, in the mideast for example, and ignore the good news because it doesn't attract attention--and there is plenty of good news they don't talk about.

Michael Moore is a fat slob college dropout who got a lucky break getting into his "business", whatever that is. If he wasn't lucky enough to get the fame he has now, he'd probably be working at a Wendy's drive through window. The guy is a walking presidential campaign commercial. Anyone denying that he has an agenda (to get John Kerry elected, at this point) creating these propaganda movies is in denial themselves. Obviously, you're not going to get any objectivity from someone like this.

As a "movie", it's a PAY FOR political ad, and a DAMN biased one at that. He should be paying US for having to watch it. Especially if his nasty looking mug is going to be shown on it--who wants to look at that for two hours?

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He should be filed in the same category as Moveon.org which is just a John Kerry re-election group. Uhoh--not allowed to donate any more to Kerry's campaign fund? Just donate to moveon.org! It'll still go towards getting Kerry elected but it's (technically) legal! And it even allows foreign contributions to US presidential elections to be possible! (Otherwise they'd be illegal.) I believe most of moveon.org's funding comes from non-US sources, which would basically mean that Europeans and other non-US citizens are trying to influence our elections. Gee thanks for the help... :rolleyes: could you go back to lining your pockets with UN oil for food programs now?

Please don't anyone respond with a stupid comment like "Well the US has no problem with influencing other's governments." Yes it's true we don't like Talibans and Saddams. Sorry for trying to kill them dictators...you can have them back if you want.


But since Saddam worked for the CIA doesn't that implant a fallacy in your statement?

And repealing the dividend tax and the estate tax, giving Boeing inside information on government bids, using office power to land Halliburton deals, then fight congress to let it keep it's tax shelter, then repeatedly overcharge the gov't for contracts, using shady intelligence information in a state of the union address... name any of the above that help me out, or better yet any of the above that don't directly harm me financially, aside from maybe the three dollars or whatever the average shareholder will benefit from repealing the dividends tax while opening up a new method for large stakeholders (CEOs) to claim tax free income. What about spending all of our social security money to fight a war in a foreign country, and spending three times the cost of the war on this hokey trickle down economics scheme that has never historically worked? Keep an ear on the news, huge investors like Warren Buffett and George Soros, some of the people who be benefitting the most from these things, are publically denouncing the actions. For someone to get handed several billion dollars and then turn around and say "you know this is wrong" to the nation, I'd be inclined to listen.

Hah, and people want to build a Democracy in SL. Have fun with that one.

EDIT: Crap, I almost didn't make par with your name calling post. G.W. Bush is an alcoholic, cokehead, criminal record carrying, failed businessman, below average student, tax shelter abusing elitist-catering war-mongering two-faced dyslexic incompetent crony who recruited a bunch of cold war throwbacks to assist in the worst heist of surplus money ever seen.
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06-16-2004 05:53
Mmmm... Popcorn.
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06-16-2004 08:30
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Originally posted by Garoad Kuroda
The comedy remark was actually a wiseass one. It should be categorized as comedy. Connections with the Bush family to Osama Bin Laden? Is that what this movie tries to "uncover"? Give me a break...sanity is no longer with the extreme left. The only ones believing this crap are people who think the administration are a bunch of liars just looking out for their own bank accounts--and I have nothing more to say to someone who thinks this.


I like how you can completely refute facts you haven't seen presented yet. Tow the party line much?
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06-16-2004 10:16
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06-16-2004 17:33
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Crap, I almost didn't make par with your name calling post. G.W. Bush is an alcoholic, cokehead, criminal record carrying, failed businessman, below average student, tax shelter abusing elitist-catering war-mongering two-faced dyslexic incompetent crony who recruited a bunch of cold war throwbacks to assist in the worst heist of surplus money ever seen.


Ummm... You left out easily defeated by pretzels.:D
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06-17-2004 06:17
Eddy, it's great how we always go back to Cold War history to point out how things are today. I know we gave Saddam "support" in the past. We "supported" Stalin too--for the purpose of defeating a greater evil at the time. We used to believe that the enemy of our enemy was our friend. Saddam falls into this category as well, as well as Bin Laden, Ho Chi Minh, Noriega, etc. I think (I hope) after Sept. 11 we learned that doing this is a mistake. Please tell me you can figure out for yourself why we still support Pakistan or Saudi Arabia's governments.

The economy is doing much better now, if the Bush tax breaks are killing the economy, he'd better increase them more. EVERYONE got something from the Bush tax breaks, and not a chump change $200, either. It's kind of hard to reduce taxes for the poor when...they don't pay any to begin with. I don't believe giving the poor handouts is a way to fix things, either. Raising taxes (even on the rich) actually hurts the economy--that's when they start looking for ways to protect their assets, and with the resources they have believe me they can do that. Lowering taxes allows businesses to start investing and hire new workers. I have no love for corrupt CEOs and the bull they get away with either, and to some degree they are being challenged now, but raising taxes through the roof hurts the economy.

I believe (cannot confirm) that there aren't that many choices other than Halliburton for some of the contracts they've gotten--not all companies can do what they were asked to do. Especially if you rule out rewarding contracts to companies from countries who didn't support our efforts--which I don't have a problem with. They're saying the Halliburton overcharges were essentially stupid mistakes on Halliburton's part--they're certainly guilty of being a large bloated organization. But saying they intentionally overcharged (Halliburton was overcharged as well) because the government was allowing them to get away with it--and then the Pentagon (um..part of the government) starts saying that they overcharged, which Halliburton does not dispute--makes your argument that the government is knowingly paying them extra a little weak.

Back to the Iraq invasion again? Do you realize how many people who are now criticizing Bush for believing (possibly) incorrect intelligence also believed it themselves? Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, to name a few. Was Bush supposed to actually go to Iraq personally to verify that what the CIA was telling him was accurate, because he "should have made sure"?

Wow...Warren Buffet, one of the richest people in the world benefitted from tax breaks! Wow, I never would have expected to see that. :rolleyes: He's not exactly in the majority of the population, which I would wager is spending and investing this extra money and in turn strengthening the economy. I don't know what he's been saying, but perhaps he should consider doing more of that himself. I'm sure he gives away plenty, but when someone who's worth THAT much claims to be so concerned for the little guy, I have to wonder why he isn't practicing what he's preaching.

I will continue to call Michael Moore a fat slob because that's what he is. Keep on reading your anti-Bush "Bush is a criminal" propaganda websites. Holy crap...he was driving HOW FAST back in '64 when he was a teenager??? Oh my god nobody has ever done this before...he can't be allowed to stay the president! :rolleyes: And damn that evil Bush for taking Saddam out of power and bombing the peace-keeping Taliban!

Chip: Well I voted for Clinton the second time around, so not really. I've seen from experience, if Michael Moore is saying it, it's always a half-truth. If you follow the implications of this, it seems to lead to: Bush planned/allowed 9/11 to happen for his own personal political and financial gain. I am confident that this is simply a conspiracy theory and that MM's crap movie is just trying to indirectly take Bush down for it. Am I really jumping the gun here? We'll see when the movie starts getting discussed more, but I seriously doubt it.

Teeny: C'mon I thought I pointed out this before! :p Has anyone reading this NOT choked on something ever in their entire lives? The mere fact that this non-news has become such a big story is sad enough. I hope Nick Berg gets this much attention in the years to come (although that story is all but forgotten at this point). If it's bad news, it's great news for the mass media! But you have to wonder why some bad news is repeated more than other bad news.
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06-17-2004 08:33
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Originally posted by Garoad Kuroda
Chip: Well I voted for Clinton the second time around, so not really. I've seen from experience, if Michael Moore is saying it, it's always a half-truth. If you follow the implications of this, it seems to lead to: Bush planned/allowed 9/11 to happen for his own personal political and financial gain. I am confident that this is simply a conspiracy theory and that MM's crap movie is just trying to indirectly take Bush down for it.


I don't think you'll find any assertions in this movie that Bush planned 9/11 to happen, and I've always been very bothered by the hindsight notion that it could have been prevented since the medicine has the potential to be as bad as the disease. I strongly dislike surrendering my civil liberties to overzealous paranoics who think we could have prevented 9/11 by spying on our neighbors or having the fbi scan all our email. I think when this film comes out you should see it with an open mind and not pre-judge it before you know what facts it's going to present and what assertions are going to be made from them. Moore always presents his interpretation but it's always done in a way that invites you to draw your own conclusions.

Did you happen to see Bowling for Columbine? The right wing and the NRA would have you believe that it's an anti-gun documentary. It's not that way at all. It points out that per capita gun ownership is almost as high in Canada as it is in the US without nearly the gun related violence. It actually supports the notion that guns by themselves are not the problem. Instead the real focus of the documentary is the culture of fear in the US propogated by the government and media. It seems a lot of people dismiss Michael Moore's work with preconceived notions and have never actually bothered to see any of it. Not saying that's you, but I find it funny.
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06-17-2004 09:22
The patriot act along with other moves by this administration to decrease the power and freedoms of the populus would have done nothing to stop the terrorists from commiting these acts. The Government already had laws and regulatory boards suited to stop acts of terror. They could have kept better track of immigrants living in the US on expired visas and falsified student visas. But instead they take away the right of the law abiding citizens of this country under the guise of protection and "Home Land Security." Secure the homelands by securing the borders! Do not suggest that my freedoms should be sacrificed under the ruse of protecting me from unknown evils.

9/11 is over...the act was done...what has happened since has only furthered the cause of the terrorists. They wanted to see the US citizens stripped of our freedom and nailed to religious moral codes and laws so full with ambiguity that all men are criminalized and crippled by an oppressive government. They are winning. The individuals of the US are being weakened and over ran by buerocracy under the guise of protection. Do not protect me...the constitution gives me means by which to protect myself.

I pledge allegiance to a constitution which is being used like a roll of charmin after a chili cook off. And if you can say with a clear consious that it is ok to act in the manner that Rumsfeld and his cronies are acting....I would really like to read your background information...because I ain't looking at the same situation. The lies and cover-ups, the half-truths and schemes, only cause more suspicion to those who are actively watching the events unfold...Watch Rumsfeld's schpeel to the commitee in regards to the Bush memo's that he is refusing to release. Nothing better than watching a little sweaty lizard squirm on the hot seat.
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06-17-2004 10:13
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Whoah. I was on the news?
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