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Schiavo case = America teetering on totalitarianism?

Malachi Petunia
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03-28-2005 10:35
I take some comfort that the tri-cameral government is working partly as designed. The Congress and Executive were expected to be too subject to temporary passions. The Judicial was designed to slow those passions and has consistently done so in this matter.

Which doesn't mean I don't think it a distraction from matters of actual importance. I do see it polarizing the nation even further, but it doth appear not in the direction intended.
Hensonian Pennyfeather
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04-01-2005 12:01
From: Seth Kanahoe
The media has the ability to report the news with accuracy, balance, and depth. That they mostly don't demonstrates the spinelessness and unprofessional attitudes of journalists, and corporate lack of comprehension about both civil duty and the long-term, direct profitability of credibility among the public and the leadership. Fox News simply takes these issues to the extreme; they're present in nearly all media outlets.

However, the media could, and occasionally does, play a vital role in society. Journalism simply needs to be "fixed".


Thank you! Glad someone said it!
Hensonian Pennyfeather
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04-01-2005 12:20
From: David Cartier
Randall Terry is also the same guy who is begging for money on his website to buy a new house, while at the same time he is refusing to pay his child support. I guess he REALLY wanted those kids...


I don't know the man nor much about him, however, I think that is a rather brash way to talk about someone unless it's been proven. I did do some googling for that sort, though, apart from any media accusations, which I have found are often one-sided once the whole is revealed. http://www.randallterry.com/home/index.cfm?page=14. At the very least, this is the other side of the coin.

I would also like to point out that people treating their pets the way this woman has been treated are arrested, but it was allowed to a human. That's very scary. It's a very sticky, sticky wicket. On the one hand, if someone had locked her up in a basement and starved her, that person would go to jail, on the other, we have checks and balances in our government to keep us free. We send money all around the world to help feed starving people yet purposeful starvation has been allowed. What a mess. And how very, very sad.
Rose Karuna
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04-01-2005 14:35
From: Hensonian Pennyfeather
I don't know the man nor much about him, however, I think that is a rather brash way to talk about someone unless it's been proven. I did do some googling for that sort, though, apart from any media accusations, which I have found are often one-sided once the whole is revealed. http://www.randallterry.com/home/index.cfm?page=14. At the very least, this is the other side of the coin.

I would also like to point out that people treating their pets the way this woman has been treated are arrested, but it was allowed to a human. That's very scary. It's a very sticky, sticky wicket. On the one hand, if someone had locked her up in a basement and starved her, that person would go to jail, on the other, we have checks and balances in our government to keep us free. We send money all around the world to help feed starving people yet purposeful starvation has been allowed. What a mess. And how very, very sad.


That link is to his web site, which I would hardly call anything except self serving.

Randall Terry is a terrorist leader, no better than Osama Bin Laden. On April 21st of 1998 a U.S. District Court jury ruled that three anti-abortion leaders had violated federal racketeering laws by conducting a nationwide campaign to intimidate abortion providers and patients. (Randall Terry was one of the three).

The first person convicted of violence against a women's health center ignited a gas can in a crowded New York City clinic in 1979. Since 1982, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, there have been 169 arson and bomb attacks on women's health centers in 33 states. In the 1990s, five workers in such clinics have been murdered by people calling themselves "pro-life" who publicly advocate violence (as Randall Terry has publically done in the past) as a way to make legally sanctioned abortion impossibly unsafe.

Even the Wikipedia confirms what the Washington Post wrote about him with verifiable links:

Randall Terry is founder of the pro-life organization Operation Rescue.

According to a Washington Post report, Terry was censured in 2000 by the Landmark Church of Binghamton, New York, where he had been a member for 15 years, for a "pattern of repeated and sinful relationships and conversations with both single and married women." Terry, an evangelical Christian, denies the allegations.

After settling out of court with the National Organization for Women in a 1998 lawsuit seeking to force anti-abortion leaders to pay for damages in attacks on abortion clinics, Terry promptly filed bankruptcy, prompting Senator Charles Schumer to propose an amendment to a bankruptcy bill in Congress which would "specifically ... prevent abortion opponents from using the bankruptcy code to escape paying court fines." The amendment was not included in the final bill after meeting with resistance from House Republicans.

In 2003, Terry was soliciting non-tax-deductible donations on his web site. He later put a down payment on a $432,000 home in Ponte Vedra Beach. Terry explained that he and his family needed a place to be safe and to entertain "people of stature, people of importance. I have a lot of important people that come through my home. And I will have more important people come through my home." The same month, a New York State court found that Terry was not paying a "fair share of child support" to his first wife, whom he divorced. In an affidavit submitted to the court earlier in the month, Terry claimed that he was three months behind on his rent and had been selling items to live.

His adopted son wrote an article for Out Magazine which Terry says contains significant inaccuracies.

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Briana Dawson
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04-01-2005 16:43
From: Hiro Pendragon

Should the executive branch gains power to overrule the judicial branch, we will be in a totalitarian state. The whole reason the Judicial branch is there is to interpret the laws that the executive branch wrote.


This is not the reason the Judicial Branch was created. If you read any of the Federalist papers or constitutional history you will learn that the issue of "Judicial Review" (Marbury v. Madison) was a contentious point.

The judicial branch has ZERO power of enforcement and at anytime Congress can lessen the scope of power of the Judicial Branch [Supreme Court]. This is why the Supreme Court very carefully chooses the cases it will hear, it has to protect its legitimacy.

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04-01-2005 17:04
From: Briana Dawson
This is not the reason the Judicial Branch was created. If you read any of the Federalist papers or constitutional history you will learn that the issue of "Judicial Review" (Marbury v. Madison) was a contentious point.

The judicial branch has ZERO power of enforcement and at anytime Congress can lessen the scope of power of the Judicial Branch [Supreme Court]. This is why the Supreme Court very carefully chooses the cases it will hear, it has to protect its legitimacy.

Briana Dawson
yep, but the court of public opinion is all the current admin cares about, laws be damned, as long as they pander to their perceived base....
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04-02-2005 00:49
From: Hiro Pendragon
What's really scary about the Terry Schiavo debacle is how many people are calling for Governor Bush and President Bush to, in their words, disregard law and take action.

Should the executive branch gains power to overrule the judicial branch, we will be in a totalitarian state. The whole reason the Judicial branch is there is to interpret the laws that the executive branch wrote. If the Executive Branch has a problem with that, they can change the laws, or if necessary, the Constitution.

In this respect, it's the same old abortion issue - really, to ban abortion, the Constitution of the United States needs to be edited so that life begins at conception. Period. There's no law that can be written to circumvent it.

There is a tragedy of ironies in this case, too.

1. Right wingers, who by definition are endorsing totalitarianism in that Executive Branch should overrule Judicial, have accused the courts of being like the nazis in World War II putting to death disabled people.

2. Right wingers, who so vehemently argue about the sanctity of marriage when it suits their purposes of bashing gays, completely disregard the sanctity of marriage in this case. Apparently marriage is sacred enough to bash gays, but not sacred enough that the intimate last wishes of a wife cannot be carried through by the husband.

3. Most of the "Christian Conservatives" who are arguing for putting back in the feeding tube have no problem with the killing in the Iraq War.

4. The whole reason Terri is in her condition is from a heart attack from a potassium imbalance. In plain and simple English, Terri was bulemic and was so undernourished that she killed her brain. ... She starved herself to get her into this situation, and starving is apparently how she'll get out of it.

Messed up, for sure.

I had also been complaining about how there are tons of better issues that are more pressing and affect many more Americans. I came to realize why this case is such a stickler - this is all about the ancient mind/body/soul debate.

Folks who are very traditional Christian don't think of the mind as part of the soul... so immediately they see Terri breathing and assume her soul is still in her body. This seems to make sense...

Then folks who are typically athiest see her EKGs and hear that her brain is liquified say, "her brain's dead... there's nothing left". This also makes sense.

One could also say that a body without a brain is not sufficient for the soul to reside in a body... but one could also that perhaps her soul is trapped in the body.

But even assuming the latter, is God going to damn someone for eternity for passing on because they don't have a brain other than automata responses? I severely doubt it.


This poor woman's family. Publicized to death and used as a political tool to wring on the hearts of the American (and international) public.

America has shown signs of moving to become a police state for a long time now.

Totalitarianism? I dunno... more like a wolf in the disguise of a lamb.

"Maintain the illusion of freedom and you can get away with anything."
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