Please help me define 'offensive'

For me it's not that complicated. It gets less and less complicated everytime I see the KKK or bigoted red-necks, or neo-nazis or (pick your hate filled group) flying the confederite flag and talking about white pride.

However, next time I see a group of southern gays, blacks or jews flying a confederite flag yakking about 'the good ol days' it will get complicated again.

This foreign,democratic liberal fan of Kurt Cobain happens to think you are the epitome of ignorance and nothing more than an instigator because you get some weird pleasure from feeling somehow superior to others, but I would not stop your right to express it - it does provide for an interesting exercise in watching how inflammatory one person can be.

Contrary to what you just said, you did equate one thing with another by stating that the Nazi flag is offensive to some and the Conferderate flag is offensive, so why should you have to look at a gay pride flag, as in your own words you despise gay people (an odd statement in and of itself, I assure you they have interest in you so what are you so afraid of?). Your very statement linked the three things together. No amount of caps and appreviated swear words changes what you originally said.

People respond to your thinking with logic, and then you cry that you are the poor oppressed veteran who doesn't have freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech is very much in effect, but it doesn't mean you have freedom without recourse. You can make all the hatemongering, xenophobic, faux-patriotic statements you want, but be prepared to be slammed for it.

Jellin,

Don't get me wrong, I'm on the same side of you on that issue, I was just saying that is a bit of a grey area for me. The confederate flag has come to mean something because of groups like the KKK and others hijacking it and associating their various brands of hate with that flag. I understood Molecular's point, but in the end we are not still using the same American flag as the one that existed pre-confederacy.

Cristiano

I know Cris, just stating my feelings on it. Alls good. Well, not with Christopher, but aside from that, all's good.

That Christopher Nomad uttered any words that I agree with is going to take me weeks to reconcile. Just remember Mr. Nomad, that that statement goes for everyone, including gays flying a pride flag.

Your arguement is not false, its just that the confederate flag is multifaceted.

The major misconception is that the Civil War was fought over just Slavery, when in fact slavery had nothing to do with the civil war till it was almost over, there never was a plan to free all slaves originally. The South seceded due to unfair treatment by the north in the form of tariffs, that is why South Carolina pulled out. Slavery was an issue but a side issue of the Civil War. The Confederate flag stands for states rights, and the south standing up to the north for many many people. Yes it flew over a slave owning country, but so did the american flag, british flag, and any other flag of a country that had slavery. Once again just a side connotation of the confederate flag. It is unfortunate that some racist groups fly the confederate flag, but that is only because they like the north do not know the true meaning of it and only what is popularly taught.

JV

LOL, and this very conservative, republican, kurt cobain fan agrees with you!

JV

Cristiano, you've become one of my favorite advocates (and people, when it comes to these issues, I have to say but, I beg you to consider just the same--doesn't this thread make your head hurt? everyone else? The guy's old enough now for change in his heart and his mind to never, ever, ever be able to take place. Even a discussion with his wife put him in opposition to her, if I recall what he put in a previous thread. Just let his hate sit like a penny in a tin can and rattle the hell out of the forums all he wants to. It's just one tiny tinker, and our roar is much more important and forceful if we just let that tin can rattle rattle rattle to a halt. All we're doing here is banging our heads against brick walls. There's only so much Tylenol to go around, okay?

Censorship = Bad; we've all agreed. *pet all* Simmer down, friends. Love you much. But all these brick walls...

Damieoth,

Thank you for the compliment, and yes I know you are right. Granted, this is my first go round at Mr. Nomad - others have a longer history with his psyche. I do have a headache though, so I will heed your wise advise. It has been a hell of a day for hatred in the forums, between Christopher, Jarod Godel and Angel Leviathan. While there may not be enough Tylenol to go around in dealing with people like that, I guess the person in me who stands up for his friends (and even arch enemies in some cases, as shown today) can't resist at least calling them out on their proverbial shit. God I miss the days of the TSO forums where all I had to complain about was the lack of a lambada interaction

Cristiano

I'll show you offensive!
Offencive! :D

Gwydeon, that's filthy. Begone and take your kitty porn with you.

I take great offensive at the really cute one on the far right.

like the guy above me i think he's trying to say that you all have strayed from the topic "Please help me define 'offensive'"

this is what offensive means.

when a guys pants are hanging down below his butt so you can see his nasty underwear. now thats offensive.

Soooo make me a Heterosexual Pride Flag and fly it?

No thanks. Why denigrate the natural order by bringing it down to the level of sexual deviance. The rightness of heterosexuality is self evident and requires no circus or pageant. Further, we have celebrations of heterosexuality all the time--they are called weddings and anniversaries. As it should be.

christopher dear
flags are not offensive, whats offensive is when one of them gets burned.

even better definition of offensive. your a man, i would expect by the name.

well....... offensive is the guys with the ball, and defensive is the guys trying to stop them from going thru the goal.

Actualy I was just needlessly hijacking a thread with the help of the evil kitty ligions

lol thats ok dear, the thread doesn't even go with the topic of it.

lol im just padding my post count now, for some reason the topic of this thread mis-named. it should read, "why do we have flags? and what does yours mean?"

I have a question Christopher, and I'm actually serious.

Don't you ever get tired of hating all the time? Doesn't it just get to be too much? Late at night, after a full day of hating people yo don't like, don't you ever feel like "Whew, what a drag this is"?

I only ask because I have no personal experiance with the wholesale hatred and condemnation with a section of society, so it's hard for me to imagine hating day in, day out, 24/7/365.

Or does your belief in that fairy tale book give you the strength to just keep hating?

edit: p.s. Did you maybe have a bad homosexual experiance at one point? See, that I could maybe understand in a psychological way.

oh dear,
i think the kitty's are at +1, and the topic posters are still at +0

Since my original post was swallowed up in the original post, all I can say is this is an even more ignorant post that the one Mr. Nomad made..

I support the rights of whoever is flying the gay pride pride flag, I admitt I don't know too much of what the Gay pride flag represents, but I also ain't anti-gay..

I just wish others on this forum admitted when they don't really know about something and do preach the same in tollerance that they advocate.

The confederate flag did NOT represent slavery,brutality or opression sir, sorry to hear you have such a litmited and biasd view of the south and of history..

As a member in RL of the son's of confederate veterans (Great,Great grandfather was in the 7th Missouri Caverly CSA) and someone who has taken the time to learn true facts about the confederacy and it's history (paying contributer to the National museum of the Confederacy, Richmond Virginia.)
I find YOUR thread most in tolerant and judgmental..

I say for the record, that Chris Nomad doesn't represent southerners or confederate Americans such as myself..

The Confederacy didn't stand for racial bigotry anymore did it stand for political oppression..

Anyone interstrested in learning more on this subject, check out my in game group, (Army of Northern Virginia) or drop by my Confederate museum-home in Jessie, (a tribute to General Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson..

The above 'Nomad' is an imposter to the name, Sick him kitten hit squad!

I could have sworn the south wanted to continue slavery, if I remeber my 7th grade U.S. Hisotry right that was one of the biggest reasons for the civil war. How is the confederat flag inocent of being a standard for those adovcating such things when it was used for such for so long?

Yeah, I just want to say, Christopher... I'm gay and I don't spend this much time obsessing over it. Have you ever asked yourself, "am I spending too much time on this?" Isn't there something constructive you could be doing instead of getting worked up at a bunch of people you don't even know?



Well, statistically, people who spend this much time repeatedly bringing up and revisiting the topic of homosexuality tend to be more likely to have been abused as a child, have a close family member who is or was gay, or are gay themselves and simply are unable to deal with it.

However, while it is statistically significant, it isn't very significant, and we shouldn't assume anything about Christopher. I mean, we're reading his words, not gaining some deep insight into his personality.

But then, he was in the military, so...

I guess you're right, it had to have been those 'other' southerners whipping the hell out of thier human livestock. In a few more years it'll be revised again and we'll hear how actually it was the south that finally decided to abolish slavery and it was the north that wanted to keep it.