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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:12
From: DogSpot Boxer
Is that kind of commentary really necessary?

Or are you intentionally poking someone to get a reaction?


It is a pointed reminder that the original poster is a troll, and consistantly engages in the behavior specifically to do the very things he most often decries in others.

It was no more or less 'necessary' than your post asking if it were necessary. But you knew that... didn't you?

I find your apparent decision to follow me about the forums fascinating. But make no mistake, take me on and you will lose.

Don't say you haven't been warned. :)
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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:13
From: Margaret Mfume
The assumption that the troll was waiting instead being unwilling to place 2nd life drama before 1st life concerns. My opinions are valid, not earth shattering.


Unless specifically quoting otherwise, my post is always a direct response to the original, thread-opening post. Thanks. :)
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09-24-2005 09:14
From: someone
Is that kind of commentary really necessary?
Insofar as I view the forums as entertainment, yes, absolutely necessary.
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09-24-2005 09:22
From: Emma Soyinka
...But what do I know, I'm just a stupid noob....
Like, totally, begone thee n00b, you have no right to be here, your opinions are meaningless. Did you not get the rules upon registration???????? :eek:
Margaret Mfume
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09-24-2005 09:33
From: Cienna Samiam
Unless specifically quoting otherwise, my post is always a direct response to the original, thread-opening post. Thanks. :)

Your post made no sense relative to the op. The person behind the post toward which it did make sense received and responded.
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blaze Spinnaker
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09-24-2005 09:35
From: Emma Soyinka
I'll keep this one short, basically regardless of whatever the locals are going to bicker about again in this thread and what mud they sling (and you all know they will) the truth of the matter is that this forum is unpleasant and downright hostile to new folks. Hell, I'd be hard pressed to not apply the words "rampant xenophobia" here.

Of course, it's not just the fault of some of the regulars in this forum, it's also LL's fault for doing the shoddiest job of moderating a forum I've ever seen. And I've seen some pretty badly moderated forums in my time.

I wonder if they know how much potential revenue this place scares off, and how badly the current state of affairs reflects on them and their product as a whole.

But what do I know, I'm just a stupid noob. ;) As far as I'm concerned LL needs to outsource a full time moderator, maybe two or three, for this forum and tighten the leash, so to speak. Wishywashy moderation is what leads to these kinda things, and again, it's not good for their business.

Plus I think anyone online, regardless of age, position in real life and other things should be treated like a dumb kid and that online communities need babysitters. Oh and that includes yours truly, before anyone claims I don't include myself in this blanket statement.


This is 100% the truth.

There is a very simple solution: adopt the penny lane approach. If you want to talk trash, take it to off topic.

There was this one post which was literally calling a new user a "fucktard" that I AR'd and it never got cut.

I mean REALLY. What the hell?
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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:35
From: Margaret Mfume
Your post made no sense relative to the op. The person behind the post toward which it did make sense received and responded.


If it made no sense to you, then it is because you were too busy taking it personally. I have told you directly that it was intended toward the thread initiator. If you choose to continue to take it personally, that's your problem, not mine.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-24-2005 09:39
For new players:

Blaze is an alt. He has said he is this alt to protect his SL business/s. (I don't respect that, but I do understand it.)

He's said he has a thriving business and is friends in good standing with a lot of people his alt disagrees with. He will use the Blaze alt to state opinions without fear of repercussion.

He has also said he derives entertainment and enjoyment out of trolling. And that he has more than one alt.

I've seen him troll and necropost senselessly. However, he also uses the alt to state what he sincerely thinks, as I think he did in this case.

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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:53
On the other hand, I am not an alt (or if I am, I'm too smart to admit it... feel free to wonder as you like). I have zero issue with stating my opinions freely and openly, and taking whatever comes as a result of it. It's called 'honesty'. The cowards who do otherwise are held in contempt here.

But not as much contempt as the forum nannies. Forum nannies are the absolute bottom of the food chain in every conceivable way.
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Margaret Mfume
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09-24-2005 10:03
From: Cienna Samiam
If it made no sense to you, then it is because you were too busy taking it personally. I have told you directly that it was intended toward the thread initiator. If you choose to continue to take it personally, that's your problem, not mine.

I don't have a problem with awareness.
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Jauani Wu
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09-24-2005 11:08
From: DogSpot Boxer
Dunno. Seems to me if Jauani knows then it's pretty clear who ARed me. FWIW, I have no idea what post it was.

If there were ever a change to the forum rules regarding warnings, I'd love to have the ability to face my accuser.


i reported your post to have the libel removed. however you gave plenty more material for others to report you too. the edit's by jeska were much further down.
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Forseti Svarog
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09-24-2005 11:21
From: Margaret Mfume
You also dont have to enter every thread with a negative post or to fling mud. There is room for everyone. Make the focus about coexistence not rules for assimulation.


no question. I am not excusing obnoxious posts, but you don't think we're going to stop negative posters by saying how mean they are and can't we all get along?

LL can implement a technology solution, but they probably don't want to spend the money and resources on the forums right now when there are bigger fish to fry. They can throw more moderator time at the problem, but then the other half of the forum will scream about censorship.

Those with more refined sensibilities can ease some of the problem simply by exercising self-control and not falling for the negative bait... that's all I'm saying. A horrible post is only as important as everyone else makes it.
Jamie Bergman
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09-24-2005 11:25
From: blaze Spinnaker
If you have an opinion that is either from the perspective of a new person or contrary to what the forum elite think is the status quo, you will be endlessly persecuted by a lynch mob.

Speak your mind, and the forum royals (and the wannabes) will line up for a chance to slap each other on the back and say how right they are and how dumb you are.

It's a sad ass example of group think and people protecting what they think are their exalted positions in the pecking order.

They will talk about lurking. I'm sorry, this forum should be for making new users FEEL WELCOME not for freaking them out and pissing them off.

They will talk about how long they've been around or all the things they've done.

Well sorry folks, but SL has got to adapt into something else if it is going to grow. So what you know and what you're doing is not getting us anywhere.

My suggestion: leave off with the negativity. Stop making new users feel like idiots simply because they haven't spent the last 8 months in SL 12 hours a day.

Make them feel welcome. Answer the same question over and over. Try to be inspired by the fresh energy rather than threatened.


BS. Secondlife is the greatest thing on Earth.

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Eboni Khan
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09-24-2005 11:27
This is what happens to those who dare to question the status quo in forums...
DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 11:40
From: Jauani Wu
i reported your post to have the libel removed. however you gave plenty more material for others to report you too. the edit's by jeska were much further down.


Yeah, I learned the lesson about naming names in public.

But as far as anything else I posted, isn't it better to deal with it privately instead of ARing someone putting their ability to participate in SL (as opposed to the forums) at risk?

I honestly think that linking issues here to one's ability to participate in SL is a very bad idea.
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09-24-2005 11:42
Blaze, I have been here since August of 2004. Your opinions are absolutely invalid.
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DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 11:43
From: Cienna Samiam
On the other hand, I am not an alt (or if I am, I'm too smart to admit it... feel free to wonder as you like). I have zero issue with stating my opinions freely and openly, and taking whatever comes as a result of it. It's called 'honesty'. The cowards who do otherwise are held in contempt here.


And what if your opinion is that someone is being jerkoff. Are you also going to be "honest" and tell them? Even if it's a TOS violation?


From: someone
But not as much contempt as the forum nannies. Forum nannies are the absolute bottom of the food chain in every conceivable way.


You know, there ARE rules here.
Nolan Nash
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09-24-2005 11:53
From: DogSpot Boxer
Yeah, I learned the lesson about naming names in public.

But as far as anything else I posted, isn't it better to deal with it privately instead of ARing someone putting their ability to participate in SL (as opposed to the forums) at risk?

I honestly think that linking issues here to one's ability to participate in SL is a very bad idea.

Look, you're making a big mistake here in your reasoning. If I were a moderator, I would be fairly insulted by it. This is a mistake I have seen several self-made forum martyrs make.

The mistake: Thinking AR (whoever makes one) equals automatic action by a mod. A person can AR all day long. It DOES NOT mean any action will be taken, and thank God. It is up to a mod to determine whether action is necessary.

We have another "outraged" poster on these forums who constantly banged a drum telling us how they didn't AR, but that "if they did, a lot of you would be in big trouble." They claim they AR now, and yet, no one is in big trouble.

It's juvenile to assume that just because someone ARs that the person they are reporting will be disciplined. It is highly assumptive and self-righteous as well.

You know, earlier, you said that you don't give a damn what posters here think of you (or something to that effect). I think your actions indicate otherwise. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be here countless posts later, carrying on.

If you don't like the general atmosphere of the forums, stop helping to make them negative by calling people names, and realize that your real issue lies with Linden Lab. All the hand wringing in the world isn't going to change other adults personalities. If you're serious about wanting something changed, petition those who run it directly. All this yammering at other posters is a waste of time.
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09-24-2005 12:05
From: Nolan Nash
Look, you're making a big mistake here in your reasoning. If I were a moderator, I would be fairly insulted by it. This is a mistake I have seen several self-made forum martyrs make.

The mistake: Thinking AR (whoever makes one) equals automatic action by a mod. A person can AR all day long. It DOES NOT mean any action will be taken, and thank God. It is up to a mod to determine whether action is necessary.

We have another "outraged" poster on these forums who constantly banged a drum telling us how they didn't AR, but that "if they did, a lot of you would be in big trouble." They claim they AR now, and yet, no one is in big trouble.

It's juvenile to assume that just because someone ARs that the person they are reporting will be disciplined. It is highly assumptive and self-righteous as well.

You know, earlier, you said that you don't give a damn what posters here think of you (or something to that effect). I think your actions indicate otherwise. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be here countless posts later, carrying on.

If you don't like the general atmosphere of the forums, stop helping to make them negative by calling people names, and realize that your real issue lies with Linden Lab. All the hand wringing in the world isn't going to change other adults personalities. If you're serious about wanting something changed, petition those who run it directly. All this yammering at other posters is a waste of time.


I think you're making an assumption that I don't understand how ARs work or how forum moderation works. I'm not knocking you on that, simply pointing out that I'm fully aware that reporting something doesn't equal moderator action.

The real point in that post was that real issues are resolved in private. A secondary point was a minor whine about the linking of SL forums to SL when it comes to "discipline".

This whole thread is huge cluster fuck.

To a large degree, I feel like I've been duped into getting involved in the politics on this forum. It dawned on me far too late that there are people with agendas on both sides of this issue.

I have to go do some RL stuff. I have a few more thoughts on this, but I need to think about what to write.
Catherine Cotton
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09-24-2005 12:14
obvious harrasment against DogSpot I have AR'ed (abuse reported) this thread.

Why on earth do we as human beings just sit around and allow ppl to intentionaly prevoke and harm each other.

Well I don't.

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09-24-2005 12:15
From: DogSpot Boxer
I think you're making an assumption that I don't understand how ARs work or how forum moderation works. I'm not knocking you on that, simply pointing out that I'm fully aware that reporting something doesn't equal moderator action.

The real point in that post was that real issues are resolved in private. A secondary point was a minor whine about the linking of SL forums to SL when it comes to "discipline".

This whole thread is huge cluster fuck.

To a large degree, I feel like I've been duped into getting involved in the politics on this forum. It dawned on me far too late that there are people with agendas on both sides of this issue.

I have to go do some RL stuff. I have a few more thoughts on this, but I need to think about what to write.

*shrug*

I was basing my statement off of observation of the sentiment you have expressed about ARing, as if they were some sort of weapon to be wielded. You know, like telling people over and over that you're reporting. That's what I call an attempt to modify behavior through intimidation'. Claiming you're going to appeal to a higer power, or more simply put, using the system to try and bully people. Which is ironic, as you claim to be bullied yourself.

I also based it upon your complaint about people ARing you. You seem pretty sure that's what got you into trouble. You said something that violated the TOS, CS, or guidleines. Then you tried to blame others. *They ARed me* You did it. No one put a gun to your head. This is why your attampt to take the moral high ground now is laughable.

If this thread is a "cluster fuck", you have only yourself to blame. You started it with blanket statements, and you seem to think that "regular posters" are incapable of independent thought. If people's views seem to fall in line with others AND they have been around a while, it must be collusion! *groan*.
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09-24-2005 15:06
This thread has no obvious constructive discussion going on, the title which calls out a particular Resident by name has been edited and the thread has been closed.
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