New in Second Life? Intolerence and spite

Personal attacks and destructive attitudes from members against other members. They do not even look into what they attack, they just pick their target of opportunity.

The guidelines for what is and is not allowed in this forum are posted by Danial Linden here:
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So a post that lets people know about a new social gathering or opportunity does not violate any of the rules below. If you think it does, the correct action is to click "Report post to moderator", not to attack the poster or point out how the post is the end of civilizaion.

• Personal attacks on the character or reputation of another Second Life Resident (NOPE)
• Content that is well off topic or otherwise not germane to the topic in which it is posted (NOPE)
• Accusing a specific Resident or Residents of Second Life Community Standards and Terms of Service violations or real-world crimes (NOPE)
• Inviting or encouraging other Residents to target a specific Resident or Residents in a manner objectionable to the targeted Resident (NOPE)
• Inviting or encouraging other Residents to violate Second Life Community Standards and Terms of Service or real-world laws (NOPE)
• Revealing personal or real-world information about a Resident beyond that contained in the Resident's First Life Profile (NOPE)
• Using hateful or derogatory language to describe a specific Resident or Residents. (NOPE)
• Linking to third-party content that violates the Second Life Community Standards and Terms of Service (NOPE)

Um, what prompted this post, Archaegeo? I think the Lindens have done a pretty good job of making these rules known, and taking action when necessary.

Not just my case, but some others as well.

Someone does something new, comes here to post about it, and gets flamed for any number of reasons. Just venting. Not really appropriate to the forum i know, so someone can click "Report post to moderator" if they want, but it should be addresssed.

just out of curiousity...

i am relatively new, so i am not sure what actions are taken against people who repeatedly make griefing posts.

what other actions are taken besides locking threads and deleting offensive posts?

You get banned from the forums for a specific period of time.

There is also a thing called "spamming" of the forums as well.

Arch, while I understand you and your group enjoy the hell out of your poker game, and while I also understand that you are very proud of the accomplishment; when people call you or your group for "spamming" the same information over and over again on the forums, don't take it personally.

While your game is one from hard work, sweat and your own personal equity; please realize that others have also come before you, and others will also follow you on these types of creations and events in SL.

Please create a group forum for the updates and discussions of your game. While I understand it's a wonderful social environment, scripted and that you are giving away your own personal money -- it's also event based. One of your previous posters even stated that "it's all in how you word the advertisement." (paraphrased)

That's why the forums were broken up into the divisions they were. While I know you're trying to get the word out about your project; not being able to find ALL the threads on it for a newbie isn't going to be easy unless it's placed into a group forum.

Those who continually skim the surface of advertisements will always come under fire on these forums. So if you skim, expect the consequences.

While it was once "new" in SL, it's no longer new, nor is it the only scripted game in world. Be careful, or you will start turning people away from your creation, instead of drawing them to it.

People can and have been banned and or suspended from the forums at the discretion of the Lindens.

Sometimes there are disagreements here and they sometimes get heated.

As for social and or opportunity posts they don't belong here and that is clearly stated as to what belongs in what forum. I have no problem with anyone saying "Hey I have something new everyone should come see" that is fine in my book.....but that has also been taken advantage of in the forums where it turns into a thread every day saying the same things and looking for more people to come...then it should be posted in the appropriate forum, either the Classifieds or the Events forums.

To add to that ... Have you abandoned the University ? I have been watching for new classes or ones I haven't been able to attend yet but all I see is Archae Royale events....

Wow heh. Yeah these guys are right. Posts like this really do nothing to help your situation. In fact, they do quite the opposite. My first reaction to this post was quite frankly "cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it" but that wouldn't help matters either. But before I had no negative thoughts about this poker game and in fact thought I might come check it out. Just that seeing posts like this makes me (and I'm sure I'm not the only one, just maybe the only one who doesn't care about what others would think and just come out and say it.) not wanna check it out. But, then again, it COULD just be me

Lecktor, nope, though my lastest course was about how to play TH Though it works in real life as well.

The post at the top of the forum about whats allowed says nothing about social situations though.

Please, no one attack me for saying this.

The Forum name is New In Second Life. So if you cant discuss a new build or attraction, what should you be discussing.

I could see creating a post that advertises a sale or event your having, that should be in classified. A new game with new technology though, I have no problem with people wanting to give it exposure. It is "new" after all.

Arch...coming from a friend who enjoys your establishment and will continue to support and promote it:

I can tell you this from personal experience...as hard as it is to do...bite the bullet and just setup a group forum where we can interact and discuss events, standings etc regularly (it will actually become a very usable forum topic for those interested). I see both sides of the argument and i know who you are facing in this arena, and it's not worth it. I have had my past dealings in these forums with individuals who were successful in getting me to nibble at their bait so that in the end - drama is stirred up and eventually you will lose some credibility with a very small % of the populatoin (mainly the forum gang). I rarely post nowadays unless I know it's safe.

Startup a group forum and I will contribute to it and make sure it's seen as well with activity. As right as you are...there is also some validity to the above posts - minus the bandwagon hoppers of the forums. There are guidelines and those that are arguing here have seen similar situations dealt with and are going by the standard LL has enforced (inconsistantly).

You and your group are all wonderful people...don't let people judge you from black and white text that becomes heated due to the tendencies of this format guys...im in your corner but i can attest to this type of issue from past experience.

*edit* I am not generalizing that any person who has posted inthese forums is part of my generalizations, although there are some that fit the category taht frequent these forums that do*

Hey, it's MyBad...I'll set up a group...

Sheesh.

Hugs Emmy...can't wait to help participate in it. Let this one roll off your back...it's to your benefit no matter how correct you may be

I agree with Beau

And so do the Whats allowed in this forum post rules

I wish more people would post about the new things they are doing. So what if they set it up on the land there store is on, if its something new, post about it, once, and let folks know.

Good point, Beau. I am planning, this week, to post an announcement about a big new project within the New in Second Life forum. In addition, I plan to post a second announcement in the Classified that will contain the content that might be considered as advertising.

With that, I agree with your sentiment, Beau. What does everyone else think?

I agree with Arch, Beau, and Paolo here as well...to me this is what this section should have..."New things in SL" that are interesting...although due to recent forum reformatting...it has made NISL a spot for OT posts which have NOTHING to do with SL at all. Id much rather see a little positive discussion and feedback abotu what is NEW around here.

Still...until the new forum revamp that (I think it was Robin) said is coming down the pipeline...we have to adhere to what has been enforced otherwise those that werer affected in the past do have a point so their is no speculated discrimination.

Lot's of grey areas here...and hopefully the forum revamp will correct this...although it's a call made by the reader and undoubtadly in this arena...there will always be people on the flipside of your posts. Always!

>So a post that lets people know about a new social gathering

That goes here:
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Or here:
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> or opportunity
That sounds like it should go here:
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> does not violate any of the rules below.
That's your opinion, and as the saying goes, "Opinions are like a-holes, everybody's got one and they all stink"
In a democracy, majority prevails. When a majority of people manifests a negative opinion towards you, it's time to rething your behavior. There may be some users around here who could use a lesson in restraint (myself included), but that doesn't automatically make you an angel

and unfortuantely with the latest forum configuration changes...no one can reply in those sections - unless they create a group forum section so they become a moderator. Part of why it is so unattractive to post there about getting feedback, and I am sure why AE was inclined to post in NISL. Bring on the forum restructure LL...this is hurting the communities cohesion and it's public awareness that forums are here for in the first place.

Arch, nobody is attacking you or your hard work. This is not about spite or personal attacks against anyone. Nobody, not once said anything bad about your build. Quite the opposite actually. You did kinda belittle games that were "only" single player. But that's about all I saw.

The complaint is that some people have posted similar threads and they've been moved to a NON-REPLY forum. People are free to post in the Classifieds if they don't want replies. But what about people like yourself, who want to discuss their build? Some can.. Some can't. It's not fair.

What happens when you're threads are moved to a post-only forum and people don't get to discuss your project? Oh, start a new thread like this one but still mentions your product

Funny thing is, I'm all for censorship. Even if the title of the thread is gross, nuke it, no point for this to be discussed here, goto Fark :

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But then someone make a post about their hard work. OMG! GET THE MOD'S!!!

lol. oh jack. i am going to give u a chance to clarify ur point before gettting involved in this one. why did u link to my thread? explain plz.

haha that's just me Darko. I woulda nuked your thread simply because of the title, and when people wanted to chat about poker, or Skunk money I would leave those threads open for discussion. That's just WACKY OLD POT HEAD ME though. I'm soooo stupid.

I appreciate ur honesty. However let me add that was a new story from Reuters. I could not have made up a better story. That shit was too tempting not to post.

My thinking was it is a safe enough story for the mainstream so surely it will be ok here. I enjoy testing the limits as you know Jack. I like those lines to be more clearly defined. As I have stated before, I will continue to bring my off topic discussions here until they give us back our off-topic forum. Period!

FUCK CENSORSHIP DUDE!!

Aww, THAT'S nothing new in SL.

Might does not make right; the majority is not always right.


John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

Summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty

Full Text: http://www.bartleby.com/130/

"Democracy is for suckers."

I'm with Darko. I hate censorship of the forums. Isn't America supposed to be the land of free speech (and please don't post nonsense about shouting 'fire')? In my view there are very few reasons why postings should be censored on these forums, and in general it would be because the content is illegal.

Tolerance doesn't just include the things we like. If it is really tolerance, then it includes things we don't like. If a posting is offensive, we can tell the writer so, in no uncertain terms. But please don't step on a person's right to express themselves; IMO that should be a fundamental human freedom.