The Outlands - Is it REALLY a free fire zone?

It has come to my attention that a clan member of mine has been banned from second life for shooting on people in the Outlands.

It has been my understanding, since my arrival to Second Life, that he outlands are free-fire zones.

Has there been a policy change that I was unaware of?

Could a linden please clarify the policy on killing in the outlands?

As my clan is a defensively structured war clan, the ability to kill our enemies is vital to our existance.

actually only Jesse is a free fire zone to my knowledge anymore.. they made Jesse just for your group and others like you who want to war and kill each other..now i don't know what went down but i've know Char since i first started this game she was the first person i meet when i entered second life and has always been the sweetest person to me and others so if she did like your friend said and called him full of sh*t ... i would have to say something pretty nasty went down and the whole story isn't being told here..there are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth

The day Char says someone is "full of sh*t" is the day we get custom gestures...

I called you a liar...not Char....get your story straight.

That wall? governor linden owned....not yours...you put your crap up....I put mine



again check your logs...what really happened was Syank called Char biased....and I said he was a "Lying piece of ____"....that's what really happened....(which is true because he said I shot at him first...(i don't have a gun))



If my moving into Welsh (Not jessie)....is harrassment....well I think you better move on cuz people are gonna be moving in to places all over that you migh tnot like...

As soon as I moved into welsh I had a visit from Syank.....all I did was sit in my cave and he said I harrassed him....(I won't go into how many times he tried to kick me around in my own place....or the number of times he shot at me with his annoying bubble gun......) (oh wait...I just did)

well, syank, Keep up the lying....people are going to see right through it....especially if you try to drag char through the mud.

Dark Lumin

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oh wait and then Jenn kicked you upside the head. Ben then pulled out a AV killer and began to slaughter the rest of Jesse. Haney hiked his kilt and offered you a good time. Andrew and Phoenix walked around deleting your objects and changing your scripts...

* cough * BS * cough *

I would guess both of those describe you quite well, however those words did not come from Char Linden.

Uh... there seem to be missing pieces in this thread. Was someone deleted?

hahaha thats pretty funny Xav... well we now have the second side to this story and the fact that Syank is involved doesn't surprise me much ... and i have to say this about the ww2 honor... most of you have no honor... i know not all of you are bad because i have meet a few nice ppl from your group but it seems to me the only ones who activaly play SL are the ones who like to cause and bother others.. so next time before you talk about defending your honor make sure its actually someone honorable your standing up for.

yes Kathy it was prolly because of the comments he made in his post

Oh. Ok. I just couldn't tell who got cut out.

I wondered who it was because I got the starnge idea that I couldn't read it because it was Syank talking and I have him muted in-world. Of course, that's probably my paranoia speaking

Right?

Actually Dave, I expect the day of custom gestures will come long before Char says anything intentionally mean in SL.

But I have been known to change scripts on users objects... oh wait, I'm cured!

Andrew, believe it or not this is causing a little bit of confusion and perhaps, false hope, among a few people.

Do you mean to say that custom gestures are actually comming along quicker than we all believe?

If not, that's okay, we'll understand

How would you imaging CREATING custom gestures (oh oh going off topic). Don't get you hopes up
I think what Andrew meant was that lindens will NEVER say anything mean in SL.
About that Adrew... you don't ALWAYS have to be polite. I've noticed that you American fellows (specially girls) are REALLY easily offended. Not that I ever offended anyone, as far as I know, but I really think you Americans shouldn't be so hard on people who say certain words (can't give examples or my post will be deleted, another fine example .
Where I come from it's a lot more common to say the F-word or whatever (well translated in my language ofcourse)... and it REALLY d.o.e.s. n.o.t. make it a less pleasant place to live... just nobody really cares if you say it
I know this is tottaly off topic and you really don't care about any of this cra... oh wait I mean RANTING, but it's just something that bothers me about American people, for the rest I love them

This came up on the Feature Suggestions forum a while back:

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Is Jessie a free fire zone, or isn't it?

Is it within the Secondlife terms of use to shoot and kill avatars in the outlands?

If these individuals were putting graphiti on the outland's wall, they were indeed in the outlands, and subject to the "outland" environment.

My clan-mate who was banned, is not a griefer. He is simply playing by the rules that were provided to us. Those rules stated the Outlands were fair-game for killing.

It all comes down to: is Jessie still an open kill zone, or not?

I was actually making more of a statement about how unlikely it was that Char would be intentionally mean rather than hinting about an up and coming feature.

Nevertheless, believe it or not, many (but not all) of the features requested here in the forums were discussed among the developers at Linden Labs long before we had online forums. Customized gestures is one of those that we've been bouncing around for a while. As far as I know it is in the plan. However I don't know anything about the release date.

I don't mean to be rude. I just need to know if I can still shoot and kill avatars in Jessie.

The live-fire nature of this game is what made it so appealing to me. Otherwise, it's just a more powerful version of "The Sims Online."

No offense, I'm not really interested in that style of gameplay. I invisioned something akin to the "Mad Max" or "Water-World" structure of civilization, in which people would form clans and take up defensive positions to fend off roaming pirate clans and extortionists.

What I found, was an incredibly sensitive community, that held enough clout with the developers to change things in their favor. Now these people can torment and patronize those who live in vulnerable lands, then retreat back to the closed-fire basis and complain to the developers when we seek revenge.

The "wargaming" style of gameplay has become taboo in this community.

I don't know what the solution might be, but any further pandering to the pacifist-natured playerbase, would alienate a very large market of gamers. Most wwIIonliners, have stopped playing since the community has undertaken this anti-virtual-violence campaign.

Perhaps two different "worlds" are necessary; one live-fire, and the other not.

Something to consider.

That's the problem.

You can go into Jessie, torment, attack, and spam.. what-have-you. We'll be glad to fight you. It's fun.

Then you can go back to your own land, and cry to the game-managers when we seek the only revenge the game allows.

The problem boils down to some people wanting the best of both worlds. It should not be possible to enter a live-fire zone, then retreat back to a land where you are impervious to any sort of retaliation.

If the developers really want to harness the potential their game has for war-gamers, there needs to be a larger schism between live-fire and closed-fire worlds.

I think both pacifist-gamers and war-gamers would appreciate that.

Brentosh, you have been told lies....I never attacked one of your group....I put crap on the wall just like everyone else was.....but this was DAYS ago....I didn't attack and retreat to safe ground.....I was goofing around one day...and on my property the next day....or somewhere else the next day.....I have only entered Jessie twice.....the first was when i was goofing around on the way...and the second was a few days later when i found Syank flat out lying about me...(seems you are being lied to as well if you think i attacked and then retreated back to safe ground)....while i was there goofing around.....sure kill me...do what you wish.....but when I go back to MY property to do wwhat i want....(days later mind you).....don't bring the fight to me.....you do NOT retaliate against someone who's not in your war anymore...

if someone comes to jessie and has a good fight with you....kills you and decides to go build....are you gonna chase him down and screw with him for the next week?....that is what is happening here.....I shouldn't have to tolerate that.....and judging by your responses i think you will agree with me.....If you don't then I guess i'm misjudging you.

(I believe you have been misinformed by your "people".....)

Kill all you want on Jessie.....just don't bring the fight where it's not wanted.....simple as that....If you would like to discuss this further, PM me....

Dark Lumin

Dark, the issue has since been settled. Don't worry about it.

But, this scenario that you have brought up is the very thing I am talking about.

don't bring the fight to me.....you do NOT retaliate against someone who's not in your war anymore... - Dark

Simply by living in closed-fire areas, these people are able to dictate the terms of their engagement. Just as you do. It takes the whole fun out of being a war-clan.

Of course we are going to want to bring the war to those who threaten our clan!!! It's happened time and time again. We are left no option but to just get shot on our own land, and get chastized for "retaliating."

The need for a seperate world, where everything is free-fire, is really needed to make this work.

The potential is great, I hope the Lindens realize this.

until that day you have to realize that whether you like it or not...the ONLY free fire zone is jessie....I don't care one bit about your feelings of vengeance....if i'm in jessie you can do what you want....if i'm not you are gonna have to let it go, or face the consequences....(threaten your clan? are you insane?.....i put graffiti on a wall.....ONCE.....almost a week ago.....who's actually sensitive here?....I've had to deal with you guys, in some form, daily since then...I think i've been patient)

This is not a wargame...no matter how much you want it to be.....sure that little section of the game can be war to some....but when they leave....that's it....end of war....back to the OTHER things that make the game fun for other ppeople.....(but I guess you feel it's ok to take that from them.)

Dark, I've already said this isn't about it anymore. I honestly don't know what you did. But I know what I described happens REGULARLY in Jessie, and we can't do anything about it.

But, you've brought up some interesting points... and, you know what? You're right. This game isn't for me.

I really don't have an interest in playing under the current structure. I've stuck around because the potential is so great.

Most wwIIonliners have already left. There are only 10 or so out of the 150 who continue to login.

I guess I was hangin' onto a pipe-dream.

It's been real, and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

Lindens, I hope you guys realize the potential appeal this game has for the wargaming crowd. But, it isn't going to work until everyone plays by the same rules. I'll check back in periodically to see what's cookin.

Take care.

play by what rules??? yours??... i don't mind the occasionaly war game IF that is what i'm in the mood for, i've been in several shoot outs in the outlands since i moved there months go.. but its not something i want to do ALL the time... you guys seem to live and breath war and not everyone does... have you guys ever thought about just once saying hey lets have a war event.. so that anyone who wants to get to know us and wants to fight can do so.. but i don't think i have ever seen one for your Sim.. instead someone comes into Jesse someone kills them and then goes to harrass them for a week, or even better yet.. you leave Jesse just to bother others who have never done anything to you let alone set foot in Jesse..alot of ppl don't want your type of game and that is what's great about SL .. we have so many different ppl in to different things but noone forces anyone to llike what they do or harrasses them if they don't.. yeah i can see the potentail of war games in SL.. its what Jesse is made for but you have to understand someone may want to war one day but not the next..

I havent been in the game for a few days. I like most of the things about SL, but the petty game politics you folks play turns me off. I am tired of logging in and playing firefighter and peacemaker here for a bunch of squabbling kids on BOTH sides.

Online games such as this are more about the community than the game. You folks didnt make WW2OLers welcome here when we first arrived, and there has been a nonstop campaign against us since day one. This was a community that, except for the Lindens and a few of the nicer players, was mostly closed to us.

And the politics continue. I imagine the Lindens got sick of listening to you folks whine so they decided to ban a few of us. I dont know. I'd hate to be a Linden, though.

You folks seem to think this is your own little private free game and anyone who comes in playing in a style you dont like is an outcast.

I like this game, but its not worth the politics. Games are supposed to be fun. You folks dont make this game much fun with all this whining and crying. Until a week ago, I was ready to sign up when SL goes live. I'd pay to play this game. But I'm not going to pay to play with this community.

Avondell

i agree with avondell on this, i did make some friends, and thought i was going to be paying for this game. i just can't handle it any more. last night was the staw that broke the Ca mle's *snicker* back for me. i came to this game to have fun, not to be the go between in some dispute over this or that.

man avon, i wish i would a met you. you sound like a genuinely nice, down to earth guy.