Mature VS PG

Hi, I just bought a huge land in a PG area and I would like to know if I can put mature content INSIDE by LOCKED building.

Thanks

Officially, no.

















if nobody reports it, you are fine.

Nope read the TOS and CS ..

Nope. Sorry.

Yes.

You can do anything. When you get in your car everyday do you always go the speed limit? I think not. Do you get caught? Only if you're unlucky!!

lol I think I will not take the chance

Or only if people don't go hunting for people to snitch on.

A friend of mine has a place in one of the old pg sims. She has a deep, deep dug out basement area with lined walls, two levels of flooring over, and totally hidden from the outside world. You really just wouldn't know it's there unless you go looking or habitually turn off objects in debug (which apparently quite a few people must do).

She was suspended for having a single mature picture in the lowest level of the basement. Granted, I believe she ignored an initial request to remove it, but the point is, it's not down to luck, unless its the luck of which particular petty asshat goes snooping around your property

BTW I do have a question...I mean PG means Parental Guidence Correct...so please correct me if I am wrong here but, Im the parent as Im over 18 and I am guiding myself so in essence to me PG only means????


Never mind its an age old debate of syntax and stupidity..wanders off mumbling why'd ya have to say anything...

Unfortunately there's no such thing as locked in SL. Even blocking people from your land doesn't keep them from moving their POV inside of it. And the distinction between public and private is very hazy in SL; it's not clear when a build is open to exploring visitors and when it is off limits. IMO we need privacy, not maturity ratings.

Well now that brigns me another question, how do I put my land in auctions ??? Do I have to be inworld, cuz now I'm at work. I have to sell my land ASAP. And by another 4000m2+ plot.



HELP !!!


lol

Cadroe I agree totaly, but the problem is right now we have "Sims" distinguished as PG and Mature.

In a PG sim if you say "Shit" to the wrong person you get a nice 3 day suspension.

However in a Mature Sim if you say F@%K OFF nothing happens...why its the parameters of the sim alignment rules. However, the ironic part is we are all adults here. Many know how to be "Mature" and conduct ourselves accordingly in public.

I mean Im not gonna hoist my wife up on a table in the middle of a restraunt a get it on ...well mainly cause its against the law real life..but I think you get the picture of what I mean.

Personaly I think we need to have ability to "Zone" our own land with options like.

Public-Meaning anyone and everyone and Vulgar language kept to a minimum.

Private-Public Access such as a Store and the regulatory would be deemed by the owner if a customer or patron got out of hand and went against the owners wishes.

Private-Descrete meaning a place of solitude for 2-10 individuals to congregate and carry on in conversation without punishment due to context of the topics.

And I am sure that others could come up with different Ideas.

In addition a Zone Sphere. IE a Specific Item created by LL and given to residents to create an inpenatrable sphere. In other words the POV cam wouldnt be able to pass through it. All Conversations would end at the sphere's set radius all listen scripts and active controls that can consume information or graphic data would be inert within the spheres radius.

But again thats just me running my mouth again ...oh well...

Shadow

Sorry Pat your gonna have to wait till you get home...but you cant sell on the auctions less you up and just give it back to LL and then you loooose all the money you paid for it.

Not being mean Pat I feel your pain and its part of the lack of information New members recieve when they buy from a Land reseller.

Hope it works out for you..

Shadow

It seems to me to be totally illogical to have PG areas at all, when children are not allowed inworld.

Which of us has to ask out parents whether a sim is suitable for them to enter? Many of us are middle-aged anyway, so it might be difficult to provide parents to give us the guidance that we so obviously need.

Perhaps we could have two categories: prudes and others.

Why are there PG areas anyway?? if we are all adults in SL it seems silly

Patryk,

Technically, according to the TOS, even on M land, so called "Mature" content must be in a locked building.

And of course, now with LL talking about allowing teens into SL... "Allowing" even, not just letting a few through the net, your new PG land just got devalued to 0.

*sigh* Save me from the drahma...

Sio.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being prudish Selador, in my opinion. I've always seen the distinction as a way of keeping the more risque content in certain places, so it doesn't leech into every single sim on the grid. I think it's a good thing, to be honest. Those who want to be around that content all the time can be, those who don't, don't have to be. I'm not a prude, but I have never owned land in an M sim simply because I really don't want to see it day in day out.

Hear hear - finally someone expresses a viewpoint that explains PG vs. M without needing to call one side or other 'prudes' or 'perverts'!

I'm of the same opinion here. I'm not a prude, but I do own land in both PG and M sims. The PG sims I use for my sales locations (selling PG content), and I use my M sim land for mature sales. I also 'live' on my M lots so I dont have to deal with concepts such as censoring one's language in fear of offending a Linden or someone else nearby. It's not the matter of being a prude or a perv, but rather the type of environment one would prefer to have around them.


- Newfie Pendragon

Mature land is much more valuable than PG land.

Actualy, I think that's a very interesting idea.

In real life, most places are supposed to be equivilant to PG-content on the surface, but in theroy, you ought to be allowed to do whatever you want in the privacy of your own dwelling if you're not breaking any laws (states with badly intrusive and outdated sodimy laws asside). You can't have sex on the lawn, sell X-rated merchandise (except in specificly zoned areas) or display pornography in your windows, but you can drink, cuss and f...erm, have intercourse freely behind your own walls.

This of course may not be universaly true, i.e: Bourben Street in New Orleans during Mardi Gras.

A better distinction between public and private areas in Second Life might be very usefull. It's already been established what you can't do in public but maybe there needs to be fewer restrictions on what you can do in private domains, that is an enclosed area of one's own land that isn't a place where the public visits, i.e. a store or other attraction. Such freedoms might include but might not be limited to the ability to push a griefer off your land (if and only if ban tools have failed somehow, and perhaps only if you set the land non-safe), hang risque artwork in your room, make love with your partner (*not* hold a public orgy), talk using explitives...



Ah, there had to be a catch, didn't there? Declaring a space "private" is useless without the technology to enforce it. Privacy features like these are high on the Most Wanted Features list but I don't know if the Lindens are comming up with anything yet.

Moopf,

<<I've always seen the distinction as a way of keeping the more risque content in certain places, so it doesn't leech into every single sim on the grid.>>

I don't honestly see the point of restricting one kind of content in this way, with one exception. I would not like to see violent content in every sim, simply because I am prejudiced against that kind of content. I don't see the point of restricting what you call 'the more risque content'. Why shouldn't it leach into every single sim on the grid? Not speaking personally here, but to object to this kind of content per se without some specific justification for doing so does seem to me to bespeak prudery.

Perhaps this is a cultural thing.

just like you would not like to see violent content everywhere, i would like to not see sexual content everywhere. i would like to be able to limit my own sexual exploration in sl to staring at my avs (clothed) butt. pg-mature allows that for me very nicely.

Honestly, I believe that's a large part of it, Selador. You 'n' me are exposed to far more 'mature' content all the time because our country is an awful lot more relaxed and 'in your face' about it.

Frankly, I wish that wasnt always so, too - I often find myself cringing as I flick thru cable tv channels at prime time evening viewing, and I'm by no means a prude (I just don't necessarily want to watch a 'documentary' showing someone having their penis pierced in massive widescreen closeups while I eat my evening meal )

I can fully understand why people want to be able to get away from it. The only thing I think is daft is the notion of PG in an adult game. But at the end of the day it's just a name, I guess. We know what it means in practice. I just think it's taken too far to the extremes. Sure, I agree there should be places designated as no nudity 'n' no ludity, but it's a bit much threatening action against someone for saying 'shit' in a PG sim.

Would you like to live next door to a club in RL? Would you like a sex shop to open up next to your house in RL? Same applies here - that's why it shouldn't leach into every sim. Surely that's not too difficult to understand, is it? I'm not objecting to the content, which is why you need to stop using the prude aspect, I'm saying that it has it's place but that I don't particularly want to have my place in SL surrounded by it.

As for it being a cultural thing - erm, I think you and Kris must both of forgotten that I'm British as well....

Well, I didnt forget you were a Brit, and wasn't really responding to what you said, even though Selador was responding to you... I just meant I have noticed the overall reasons and attitudes that hold true for a lot of the people that have commented and that I've spoken to wouldnt necessarily hold true over here, because things are different.

But essentially I agree with you. I certainly don't think it should all be mature, I think we should have segregation because obviously there are a large number of people who dont want to be exposed to it all the time, and this is a fair way to ensure they get that option. As I said, though, I think perhaps it's taken a little to extremes in SL considering the adult only nature of the game.

I like porn myself. But the truth is sex is not the same to me as Xmas decorations or cars or Ansel Adams prints or whatever. It's more powerful, personal and effecting, and I do like to have some control over my exposure to it. Even when I was single and looked at porn a lot more, it didn't occur to me to put porn on my walls. I looked at it when I was in the mood, and generally didn't feel like being exposed to it when I wasn't in the mood. I don't think that's too weird.

It was really cool to see Courbet's painting "The Origin of the World" in the Musee D'Orsay, if for no other reason than to see a vagina painted with such attention, at the center of a composition, by a talented artist. I just looked at it again on the web to refresh my memory and enjoyed it even more because I'm just finishing an oil painting class, and last semester I took figure drawing (that means naked people). Nevertheless, I wouldn't like it if my neighbor put Courbet's painting on a billboard facing my house.

But I wouldn't want to stop people from doing that in SL if they liked it. I think the ideal thing would be default sims with real individual privacy so people could do whatever they wanted and tell other people to shove it if they didn't like it, and genuine "adult" sims with basically no public restrictions whatsoever. And if you went to an adult sim and didn't like seeing a vagina, people could tell you to get lost.

(But like I said before, I actually buy PG land to avoid clubs and spinnings signs, not nudity and profanity)