Minors

Yes, but Blake, as a 43-year-old, you're in a particularly low-risk group for being abducted by pedophiles.

We wouldn't.
I am a High member of the vast right wing conspiracy and I know for a fact that the liberal Californians are aiming to attack SL and LL first.
Oh and don't get me started on all those guys in Seattle waiting in the shadows!!!

No it would not. Such contracts when they involve minors are easliy over ruled and in some instances they are invalid because certain mature activities pertaining to minors are actually criminal (depending upon the state).

Not to mention the fact that SL would open themselves up to alleged justification for a right wing radical group like the Florida Family Association to launch a hate campaign and send 50,000 form letters to their congress person and outlaw mature content all together in any online gaming enterprises. (Something that they have in fact, already tried with other mature internet businesses, but were unsucessful BECAUSE minors were not involved).

As long as LL is diligent about keeping minors out of SL people like this cannot do much about the mature content. So far that is.

It seems like you don't care as long as it doesn't affect you
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Of course I don't care - what do you expect? I chose SL because it's for adults. I know there are some minors on here and if I ever met one and knew they were a minor I would have them banned. This is no place for under 18s.

There are plenty of games available for 15-17 year olds. Let them play those, not come on here.

I have to wonder if those who are advocating allowing minors are themselves minors. Otherwise why make such a suggestion?

When the teen grid is up let them go there and learn something about SL before they come here at aged 18.

Alexa

I'd go crazy as well. o_O; But, you know, not all young people are morons, as I have said.



Is that right that they would be invalid? I didn't even take that into account. I just figured it would stand as it had been agreed to, no matter who had agreed in the first place. Thank you for pointing that out. I'm sure I've seen other places do that before, but maybe I'm not getting the whole story. In any case, I believe you're right and appreciate you taking the time to set me straight.

As for everything else, I do believe I must live in a dream world. >_> I cannot believe people would put so much time and effort into trying to squash technology, even if it is "mature" content. Although I find that the content people refer to as mature is often the most immature content around.

What are the other places people have tried to shut down?

I wonder if there is a way to get around people like that. I mean, they've been saying that TeenSL will be completely shut off from the main grid and there'll be no overlap at all, and that's really what I don't like about it. If it were a fully-PG area on the main grid that was basically its own world and SL people could go on and off it but the TeenSL people couldn't leave, would that work? I mean, it would make it so if you graduated, you wouldn't have to completely lose all the things you've built so that you'd never see them again and you could still see your friends..

Of course, that still raises problems.. The adults could come in and make things un-PG. I mean, I see un-PG things in PG areas often. But it would also provide more supervision. And I really doubt TeenSL would remain chaste on its own anyway..

I guess it really boils down to: What's the most LL could get away with? And that's kind of sad. But I guess it's the truth. Unfortunately.



I expect an adult to maybe be a bit open-minded and less self-important.

As for there being plenty of games for 15-17 year-olds, those games are, as they should be, filled with 15-17 year olds. I advocate minors in SL because most of my friends have not yet turned 18 and I don't like not being able to have them here with me. My friends are intelligent, which is why they don't belong in games for 15-17 year-olds. If you met them, you probably wouldn't even know they were under 18.

I understand your concern for having kids cramp your style, but you speak as if you think all teenagers are stupid. They're not. And if you're such an adult, you'd realize that you're not the center of the universe and you wouldn't rhetorically mention that you think all people rallying for the minors are indeed minors themselves. Some people just like fairness.

I'll explain anyhow, because I don't think we all know: teenagers should be out in the real world meeting real people, not sitting in front of the computer pretending to meet pretend people like us pathetic losers.

If you know a 16 year old who wants to get on SL, do him or her a favor and send him or her off to some drunken high school sex party. I wish to hell someone had pulled me away from the computer and made me get a life when I was that age.

for me its not about whether or not they might see sex or do fake drugs...I could give a rats ass less. I don't want to play with children. I don't give a flying fuck if they are mature or not they are children and I don't want them.

My friends are all recluse internet addicts already. XD And no amount of attempting to push them off the computer is going to help any. Unfortunately.

Also, maybe I should say this, but a few of my friends are transgender and this place seems to have a good, supportive community for people like us. I want them to be able to meet more people that will be kind to them and accept them. And the making of avs to meet your personal choice of gender is just an added bonus.

Too late dude. Wh ARE a culture of moral decay.

SILLY RABBIT TRIX ARE FOR KIDS!!

AND SL is for adults.

Stooooop. There's a TeenSL for people under 18. If they really are mature, intelligent, blah-fricking-blah, then they can wait a year to get on the adult grid.

If a roller coaster said you can't go on this ride if you are under a certain height, are you going to stand there and challenge it just because you've been waiting all summer to go on that ride and you feel you're mentally and physically able to handle the ride? No. You're too short! Deal with it.

I think it's self-important too for one to come up here and say they want the rules bent just because not everyone they know can be in SL. Eff their IQ scores. They're not 18! Deal with it.

Simon,

<<18 is a convenient age at which most modern societies have decided that if you don't know to stay out of the strangers car by now, you're on your own.>>

So America = 'most modern societies'?

Minimum age requirement for SL should be 21...No, 25.

I"ve actually seen parents who buy accounts for their teens to play under their supervision. While this is probably illegal since age limit is 18, it all has ot do with if parents give a flip or not. I personally think they shouldn't play with adults on adult server but have their own.

I'm 23, and for your information not every 21-24 year old acts like a jacka$$ on sl. I can see the 21 thing since you have to be 21 to view most porn sites, but to raise it to 25 is a little too much.

Don't give up on those who need to be saved and those who have yet to decay. We are a culture that is changing back to Moral Values. I submit as exhibit a (Election 2004).
The demons of evil are being rolled back.. Victory is at hand...

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He has loosed the fateful lightening of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish`d rows of steel,
"As ye deal with my contemners, So with you my grace shall deal;"
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

Non sequitur. FAIL.

Also let's not play the "expose the myopic American" game, since I'm Canadian If you do a search for legal age, any reasonable age between 16 and 21 comes up. 18 is about the median, therefore 18 is the most reasonable.

Well why not put minors on a maturity test for 1-2 weeks in a seperate grid. If they pass, they will be allowed in the main grid. But Minors will still have limited access in the main grid. Example. Only being allowed in PG sims, the word [MINOR] next to their name to show everyone that they are a young player, or if they could be allowed in Mature sims... Owners of adult object will be able to tick a box named 'Adult Object' that makes the object invisible to minors. I think minors should be able to communicate with adults in the game somehow like There.com (13+), but to prevent things like paedophiles, then i think there should be more, stricter moderaters to keep an eye on Minors or a 'Young Person Guardian Service' for the young ones that can instantly get in touch with if they are offended by an other avatar. Maybe Adults can have a feature to mute ALL minors if they just hate kids?.
But personally i dont think the seperate grid for Minors is a good idea. Its like someone taking control over earth and splitting up children from adults.
Secondlife is like any other chat room, it is unsafe.. but with a decent moderation team, then things can get a bit easier.

My god... you need help.

Simon,

<<Also let's not play the "expose the myopic American" game, since I'm Canadian If you do a search for legal age, any reasonable age between 16 and 21 comes up. 18 is about the median, therefore 18 is the most reasonable.>>

I understood that even in some American states the age varies, but being equally myopic I admit that I could well be wrong.

But saying that 18 is the median - even if that were true - doesn't make the statement that in 'most modern societies' the age of consent is 18. And actually, having done the search, I would say the median is definitely 16, not 18. I suppose that which figure you take depends on what you regard as a 'modern society'.

well see this si the thing in games like THERE and TSO the reason why they can allow 13+ and the permission from a parent thing is because they censored games and there content is censored to all ages the only thing that varies is the adult disscusions that might go on. in games like TSO if your sim goes ot the bathroom there is blurr spot on them if they take a shower there is a blurr spot and there is no actual sexual graphics in them games

see with SL the graphic contexts of this game are not censored it is very detailed and because of its sexual graphic content the game is not allowed a rated less them M. and because of the sexual graphic and nature of the game they have to stamp it with 18+ only. and its not as simple as saying well anyone who is under this age make it so they cant see this or that. basicly being cause there a whole lot of coding to be done for that hence why games like THERE and TSO have pretty much a flat censored all. so unless SL willing to pretty much make everything that is even demed explisive or sexual to be censored. by law they are binded to enforce 18+

I wonder if KiddyGrid avatars will be restricted on the amount of clothing they can remove. Will everyone be wearing ugly underwear like in SWG? I would guess this to be the case.

-Ghoti