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Cienna, I think you've pretty much aptly described your own difficulties in analyzing your own self. I don't see you taking any responsibility for your nasty remarks on the forums...of maintaining any level of decorum...of advancing any level of ideals, let alone adhereing to them. You seem incapable of anything other than derision, denigration, instigation, and accusation. I think that's well said. The question is, will increased forum moderation and enhanced tools be able to deal with people like you? I hope so.

Quit being so hard on yourself.

By the way, you forgot to list "pathological liar" in your little resume'.

Don’t hasten to a thread to rebut a person you’ve acquired a dislike for in another thread if you have nothing to say.

Don’t hide an insult in a rhetorical question, or package a vituperative repost in an alleged generic statement that everyone can see is targeted at one person.

Try to offer a reasonable and rational counter-argument to an argument you see, rather than ridiculing, denouncing, picking apart, twisting, etc. someone’s sentences.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.

Don’t question somebody’s sanity or intelligence in responding to something you disagree with.

Au contraire... that was the funniest thing I've seen on the forums in ages. For real LOL funny. Like Howard Stern lecturing you on decorum, or Michael Jackson calling you a freak, or Britney Spears giving you fashion advice. Some things are too absurd for one to do anything but laugh at them.

in understand the pathology. this isn't about her in the end.

Yes, Stoneself, let me go over it again:

Don’t hasten to a thread to rebut a person you’ve acquired a dislike for in another thread if you have nothing to say.

Don’t hide an insult in a rhetorical question, or package a vituperative repost in an alleged generic statement that everyone can see is targeted at one person.

Try to offer a reasonable and rational counter-argument to an argument you see, rather than ridiculing, denouncing, picking apart, twisting, etc. someone’s sentences.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.

Don’t question somebody’s sanity or intelligence in responding to something you disagree with.

These are all important adages.

For as long as I can remember, Cienna Samiam has been gunning for me, making nasty personal attacks, racing over to threads I'm in, slamming me for no reason, never coming up with any ideas of her own, and making blanket, vituperative nasty comments about my sanity, intelligence, etc. So I think it's really time she took a look at that.

Of course, like I said, one can always break one's own rules and tell people to go fuck themselves AND fuck the horse they rode in on. Sideways. But I don't do that

Don’t call people names or use swear words – if you have to do that, you have already shown that you have lost an argument.

Don’t hide an insult in a rhetorical question, or package a vituperative repost in an alleged generic statement that everyone can see is targeted at one person.

Try to offer a reasonable and rational counter-argument to an argument you see, rather than ridiculing, denouncing, picking apart, twisting, etc. someone’s sentences.

Don’t call people names or use swear words – if you have to do that, you have already shown that you have lost an argument.

Don’t hide an insult in a rhetorical question, or package a vituperative repost in an alleged generic statement that everyone can see is targeted at one person.

too bad you don't follow your own advice.

instead you justify you behavior by breaking your own rules.

Guess what?? Just got done making some fresh homemade pie! Who wants some?

God MJ You just NEVER Stop

Triple neg rate for you and your damn pie!

Uhm, wait...didn't this thread already get locked?

uhuh. when I see any evidence of people actually using any kind of forum etiquette or sticking to the rules, I might consider following suit. As it is, all I see are a lot of hypocrites telling each other how to behave while not practicing what they preach.

Actually, these days, all I see are a lot of 'xxx is on your ignore list' notifications. But at least the forums are a more tolerable read


Btw... how in fucks name have I already lost an argument by swearing? I can still make a fucking point using fucking expletives, and it doesnt make it any less fucking valid.

Don't you ever stop your harrassing!!

Triple neg rate you... for not harrassing me.

Apparently my agument is BS. Well if I thought it could be limited to neg rating, I wouldn't have much problem with it. I am not bothered by neg rating. But people say many things I am sure they don't mean to be taken as rudely as they are. People's reprisals from the forum have gone beyong simple neg ratings. they have messed with other people's builds, bombed property, hacked accounts, ruing relationships, and attacked customer's at thier business. Apparently some people have stepped outside the SL/Forum world and tracked users down in real life.

So if someone calls you a bitch in the forums, is it ok to stalk then in or out of game? is it ok to Hack thier account? To mess with their SL house? If someone calls you a bitch in the forums, then report them in the forums and ignore them in the game.

Yes, to some extent you should be able to say what you want in the forums without fear of reprisal. You never know what opinion you may express that people disagree with. It sucks to have to dump an account because people donlt like your position on avi sex and won't leave you alone in the game.

So, at the cost of being able to spitefully triple neg people who deserve it: what happen in the forums should really stay in the forums.

Precisely. As long as this is the conclusion, that individual cannot succeed in tearing down the community.

As for you, Prokovy Neva, if you ever learned how to put the blame where it belongs, with yourself, and actually take responsibility for your deliberately disruptive efforts in these forums, I would never have grown to dislike you for your venom, denigration, derision, and hypocrisy.

You and you alone are the reason for my dislike of you.

You and you alone are the reason for my disdain for your attention whoring.

You and you alone are the cause of my conclusion that you are a lost and hopeless cause, and ultimately have no credibility as a contributor in this community because all you ever do is try to tear it down.

In me, the entire forum has evidence that is it not 'everyone else', because in me, the entire forum has a new player (two months old) who initially defended you before all the above was discovered by the simple act of reading the forums.

You can try to play 'pity poor me' again if you like, but the simple truth is that the only reason I think you are a hateful, spiteful, conniving, dishonest, hypocritical, and ultimately useless person to interact with is because that is the only person you have ever been to me.

Gee, don't suppose you might realise where the blame for that lies, eh?

Prokofy, you have been enthusiastically replying to people by quoting from Dnate's list of suggestions. I was wondering if you intend to follow all the suggestions yourself, or if you intend to pick and choose the ones you agree with. I, of course, have the "neg rating" suggestion in mind when I ask. If you intend to pick and choose from the suggestions list, can we all do the same?

Please reply rather than requote to this post.

ohhh, ohhh, what kind of pie? mmmmm, I hope its pumpkin

Um, Dnate? I'm the one who made a list of suggestions.

I do follow all the suggestions as best I can, Aimee. I don't pick and choose from them. And that's why it's helpful to hold a mirror up to people to see how they behave because they are fairly blinded in their bad behavior.

I fully stand by the triple negrate as a full-blown expression of opprobrium, lacking any other viable and effective means of expressing disapproval of the most egregious feature of the game: that people can slander you and tell lies about you on the forums with impunity.

I know you continue to believe I've "told a lie" about you -- that I said you were part of the shunning campaign against me. But you were part of it, and you set the stage for it by inciting all the discussion to change the entire forums just to get rid of me.

I don't "tear down the community". I question and criticize the behavior patterns of a small minority of people, and discuss those behavior patterns and attitudes, not singling out individuals for hate campaigns.



Like the man says, mirrors are very cheap at CVS. Take the mirror, hold it up, and see that it is your posts that are filled with venom, denigration, derision, and hypocrisy.

I don't think I've ever seen you come up with one positive and interesting idea on these forums not related to slamming me in reactiveness.



If I'm the attention whore that you say I am, why am I actually experiencing that I have right beside me about 12 other posters who can't refrain from answering my every post due to hatred and vengeance? Aren't they the attention whores?



That small=minded kind of small-worldism is a thing of the past. The game is growing, it is bigger, you can't run it, I don't tear down something that is that huge, I make my little contribution to it. I suggest you do the same -- hoe your own row and leave me alone.




*Shrugs*. I've never seen you defend me. And now you're incapable of even reading my thoughts express because you've caught the forum disease of hysteria and pack-dog behavior.



I'm not those things -- but are you? I'd have to wonder.



No, I see people behaving like total asses on the forums because they need to be right, they need to show off, they need to be arrogant and aggressive, and they feel a sense of impunity.

I'm here to deprive them of that joy lol.

Ok so you are omitting the neg-rate suggestion from your own personal code of behavior (is this correct?) Can I omit suggestions too?



No no no. MANY lies. I have simply been taking them one at a time for the sake of clarity.

Here is an updated list I have come up with. Remember these are not rules that must be followed, but idea to think about when posting. Not all these rules are set and should never be broken, but for the most part they do stand.


Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Stay on topic

Do not argue with a person just because you don’t like them; try to respond to an idea, and if you don't really have an intellectual response to their idea or a legitimate critique to make of their debating point, don't bother to reply to them.

Don’t base facts from polls in forums, not everyone reads or partakes in forum polls.

Don’t hasten to a thread to rebut a person you’ve acquired a dislike for in another thread if you have nothing useful to say.

Do not start a thread or a post naming an individual player, or which is really just a backhanded way of insulting them. It's against the TOS.

Don’t hide an insult in a rhetorical question, or package a vituperative repost in an alleged generic statement that everyone can see is targeted at one person.

Don’t question somebody’s sanity or intelligence in responding to something you disagree with.

Don’t dredge up real or imagined RL information about a person to make a point. This can make your argument look weaker.

Try to offer factual statistics rather than idea of what you thing the numbers are. The clearer and easier-to-understand the formulas are, the stronger your argument will be.

Cut the poetry, give facts.

Try to offer a reasonable and rational counter-argument to an argument you see, rather than ridiculing, denouncing, picking apart, twisting, etc. someone’s sentences.

Ask yourself whether what you wrote could stand up as an idea of its own if it were all by itself in a thread, not responding to someone else’s post.

Don’t call people names or use swear words – if you have to do that, you again could make your arguments seem weaker.

Rather than respond line by line to a post you quote in your own post, try to reply to the gist of the previous poster, writing a whole paragraph to sum up your thoughts.

Don’t assume you have the only access to the truth.

Listen to other people’s opinions and try to acknowledge when they have said something helpful or relevant.

Don’t place people on ignore.

Put out your own positive ideas in a thread rather than ranting against someone else’s ideas you find in a thread you don’t like.

Don’t publish irrelevant photos that spam up the forums.

Don't tell lies about people.

Don't neg rate people on appearance or building when you have a forum dispute with them (unless the disagreement has to do with their appearance or building)

Don't bait people on the forums.


P.S. I don't care who did what where, or what rules people follow, I just want to remind people to think about what they post before they post it.

Jake I actually have the same belief about not taking arguements in the forums to the game. I had a debate with Prok over that very issue a couple of weeks ago.

In fact you and I have disagreed in the forums in the past also, but if I saw you in the game I would just say hello. For that matter I would say hello to Prok, or anyone else I disagreed with.

I dont think its proper to carry disagreements back and forth between the game and here. Bring up an ISSUE from the game here .. leave the disagreement there.

Disagree here, leave it here. Maybe talk to your friends in the game,they will sympathize. Its the opinion that counts in the end anyhow. But leave the arguement on the forums.

There is an extremely good reason why you shouldnt neg rate people for what they say here .. Escalation
.. you neg rate me , my friends negrate you , we yell, scream , act like idiots, someone fires a script gun, its the wild west.

Triple Neg Rating someone and suggesting youll remove it if they appologize is Coercion.

If someone says something Offensive on the forums .. report abuse, take a deep breath , forget about it. If you act rationally, The moderators, being human are FAR more likely to agree with you.

I agree with your first part of your statement, but for the second part, I do see reasons to neg rate someone on behavior in SL. I view the forums as part of SL, so if you have bad behavior here, you deserve the neg rating.