Top Picks Replaced
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Tread Whiplash
Crazy Crafter
Join date: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 291
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01-11-2005 01:53
I guess apologies are in order - I thought the online Auction System with SL/LL only dealt in L$.
*shrug* Hey-Ho, if it took a little eBay action to secure $8M in financing and keep SL around for another year or two, I'm OK with it. Not happy or enthusiastic, but OK.
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Ice Brodie
Head of Neo Mobius
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 434
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01-11-2005 01:56
Of all the changes LL is implimenting, this one is the only one that sadens me, it is a flaw, I think, it should be renamed to advertisements or not tied to money that isn't directly in the Linden economy.
True it's money coming in, but it should be renamed to advertisements or it's misleading. Someone who doesn't know it's paid for will think it's still chosen by LL and not by a US treasury note.
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Moonshine Herbst
none
Join date: 19 Jun 2004
Posts: 483
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01-11-2005 02:02
I completely agree with Ice here. Also, the release notes are misleading, as stated by Stromko: From: someone "Top Picks" has been replaced with "Featured" which is a list of places determined by the residents of Second Life rather than Linden Lab employees." This should at least be changed to tell people what 'Featured' really is. It is a paid ad.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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01-11-2005 02:48
Wow, I did not think they could top the short sightedness of the teen grid, but they have. I don't even know what to really say about this, except it is a horrible, pathetic idea. So much for talking of letting it be based on what users put in their profiles as picks. Tying this in a poorly rigged way to eBay (oh no, it's not related to your investors  ) is just bizarre. I am normally not an alarmist at all about this kind of stuff, but lately the direction things are going is nothing short of disturbing. Rethink this stupid stupid idea. 
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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01-11-2005 02:51
From: Tread Whiplash b) LL needs a source outside of the game to deal with real US$ auction transactions.
Do USD land auctions ring a bell at all?
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Daemioth Sklar
Lifetime Member
Join date: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 944
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01-11-2005 03:50
Catherine is right.
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Alexa Hope
Registered User
Join date: 8 Dec 2004
Posts: 670
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01-11-2005 04:32
Actually the current highest bid is us$105
Alexa
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Huns Valen
Don't PM me here.
Join date: 3 May 2003
Posts: 2,749
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01-11-2005 04:39
From: Stromko Perkins There will be no benefit to regular players when Top Picks begin Top Bidders. It is not a badge of quality, it ceases to hold any meaning whatsoever as far as the players are concerned, so I fail to see how this helps us. I agree with this, and I am confused as to why LL would use eBay when they have their own native auction system.
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Siobhan Taylor
Nemesis
Join date: 13 Aug 2003
Posts: 5,476
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01-11-2005 04:43
It's a guarantee that those of us who blacklist ebay will never get a shot at the list. US$8M can buy a lot of guarantees.
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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01-11-2005 04:53
From: Siobhan Taylor US$8M can buy a lot of guarantees. Yep, SL has gone billboard on its Top Picks. Cash-grab for greed. This idea is wasted on me.
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LordJason Kiesler
imperfection inventor.
Join date: 30 May 2004
Posts: 215
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01-11-2005 05:01
Hmm well I heard about the "other" things. But this change is far from good. We all will most likely just ignore the featured list now.
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Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
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01-11-2005 05:06
I don't think a billboard sold to the highest bidder will in any way reflect the brightest or best content in SL. Nor will it reflect content some designer has come up with.
It will absolutely, always reflect the richest few members of SL society who will buy it for their own advertising campaigns.
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Totally Barmy
Proud Apoligist
Join date: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 46
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01-11-2005 05:09
Top picks never was any good, for me at least. I never once saw anything I would have picked in there. Now it's to be replaced with an equally useless list.
Like the useless dwell system where land owners payed people to come into to the game on their land. This new system does nothing except provide an expensive form of advertising. Anyone that uses it will be a mug in my book.
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Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
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01-11-2005 05:12
From: Totally Barmy Top picks never was any good, for me at least. I never once saw anything I would have picked in there. Now it's to be replaced with an equally useless list.
Like the useless dwell system where land owners payed people to come into to the game on their land. This new system does nothing except provide an expensive form of advertising. Anyone that uses it will be a mug in my book. I agree. And if it goes for $100 US each time, it'll be the same old suspects on the page every time, so we'll all get bored of seeing the same thing...
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Milo Bukowski
Lag-induced oversteer
Join date: 23 Dec 2003
Posts: 305
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01-11-2005 05:50
I'm usually very optimistic about LL's changes, and will almost always give them the benefit of the doubt. But this doesn't benefit the players at all, aside from a few top businesses. It's just advertising. 
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Siobhan Taylor
Nemesis
Join date: 13 Aug 2003
Posts: 5,476
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01-11-2005 06:24
I agree, this is the only one that will damage SL. And before anyone mentions it, yes, I was pretty vocal about getting rid of Top Picks, I just think this is as bad, or worse.
The other things, *shrug*...
Stipend bonuses go down, so what? They did in 1.1 too, in 2003 I regularly made a weekly stipend of over 3000, now I get somewhere between 1000 and 2000 depending how social I am on a Monday evening... and next week, I'll get less. It'll hurt yes, in the short term, but it won't kill us.
Ratings cost $25 ... OK, insane, but it won't kill SL. It'll stop ratings parties. It will stop fly-by neg-raters, though not the determined griefer. The thing is that a single rate will be worth much more as a bonus modifier. It's based on the total number of ratings given, after all.
Event Support Cuts... People, we've been screaming for this for the last year. Don't think it's the end of the world just because they gave us what we asked for.
Anyway, I digress. The top-picks to paid advertising is bad. The fact that it's through eBay makes it 10 times worse. Don't expect to see Mochastyle on the list... (though it may be sponsoring an event near you soon)...
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
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01-11-2005 06:29
From: Huns Valen I agree with this, and I am confused as to why LL would use eBay when they have their own native auction system. I suspect they are using Ebay because the owner is an investor to SL. Personally I think its a bad move and they should keep it in house. Specifically because Ebay is never forthcoming to its users about fraud they lack any real customer support.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
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01-11-2005 06:36
pfft.
This is silly. Please tell me the list won't be called "Top Picks". It won't have anything to do with anyone's top picks. Perhaps "I Paid Top Dollar" would be better.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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01-11-2005 06:42
It's times like this I wish I were rich... 'My Ass' would soooooooo be on that list.
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Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
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01-11-2005 06:53
So we move from a stagnant, Linden picked list to whomever can afford the most amount of US$ cash? As I write this, a spot costs US$105....wtf? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8161034789
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Marcos Fonzarelli
You are not Marcos
Join date: 26 Feb 2004
Posts: 748
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01-11-2005 09:24
From: Alan Palmerstone Since our profile picks are limited, why don't they just show the 20 most "picked" places? That would be truly representative.
And, who knows, Marcos, maybe ARMORD will still be on the list. I'm not really worried about ARMORD being on the list of "Top Whatever". It was nice being on Top Picks, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm sure if it were determined by people's picks, it'd be a bunch of clubs. I just think this is a stupid, stupid replacement for Top Picks. Maybe they should call it Top Ads. From: Alan Palmerstone Oh, and on a personal note, Marcos, is it possible for us both to retract our neg rate of each other before the price goes up?  Sure, no problem. 
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Lance LeFay
is a Thug
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 1,488
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01-11-2005 09:29
Anything that gives SL success more of a tie to USD is a BAD thing.
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Olympia Rebus
Muse of Chaos
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,831
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01-11-2005 09:30
I usually defend the Lindens and their decissions, but this is plain tacky.
I'd rather visit something that earned recognition (through top picks, word of mouth, or dwell) than something where the recognition was bought. I could reluctantly see this as an addition to Top Picks for someone who was desperate to get into the limelight, but it's a poor replacement.
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TinaStar Dawn
Registered User
Join date: 23 Dec 2003
Posts: 249
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01-11-2005 09:33
Why stop with selling ad space there? Why doesn't LL start auctioning off mentions in the message of the day or perhaps little banner ads embedded into the program interface? How about letting those with enough money buy the right to have global pop-up announcements like the old hourly event announcements? That would be super! 
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,372
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01-11-2005 09:37
Going to have to agree with most here. I'm fine with the other changes coming, but I think this idea is just wrong in so many ways.
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