slexchange.com VS secondserver.com...

Simple answer: I don't have systems in place. The only data I collect is from my own sales. I don't know what island-wide system of vendors you talk about.

It is really very simple Anshe. You could just not use his services and voila !! No worries for the Business Girl. Honestly why are you doing this ??

Of course, I totally believe you. But it makes your comments about Adam's system that much more perplexing. I mean, how do I know you don't? You raised the question, after all. And here friends and neighbors, we learn about F.U.D. (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). So Anshe, perhaps before casting the first handful of FUD-mud, you'd like to look at your own systems and see how they can be cast in the same light, Mmm?

I knew you could.

As retailer I use my own vendors for that reason. But as consumer I usually don't know when I use spy vendor machine. And as mall owner if I feel responsibility for privacy of people who come to my mall I find myself in kinda tricky situation. So I think there is enough reason to raise question here and see if there is satisfying answers.

I don't make other people run my scripts. This has nothing to do with believing, it is fact.

Please stay on topic and don't try to throw mud at one person who raises one valid concern. In fact, the type of reaction I see here only make me more concerned. It seem some people are kinda touchy about this topic come up

Adam doesn't really make others run his scripts, his web site interface does require a few scripts, but then they work SL wide.
As for his vender, it's a fully featured vender which supports multiple catalogs, is getting easier to set up by the hour, he credits his co workers for their work, and considering Adam's per hour rate on scripts, it's /CHEAP/ even in the long run.

He tries make every retailer use his vendor, thus he try make every business transaction go via his script with data sent to his database. Or did I misunderstand this?



I never questioned the features of vendor product. It might be very convenient for people to use. But this is not point here.



This is very nice and honorable.



Which could either be because Adam is nice and generous person. Or it could be because the real value is in the data collected. Not everything that is convenient and cheap for retailer is good for consumer, community or even retailers in long run.

What makes you say this?



The thread's about the differences between Secondserver and SL Exchange, quit railroading and we'll get back on to the thread's point...

Privacy issues is one important aspect if you want compare services. So I would like to know what data both services collect and what means we have to ensure that data is not abused.

I would also like know if only SecondServer tries make people use spy vendors or if SLExchange does similar thing. If one does and the other doesn't, then this would certainly influence my choice of service.

Why do you persist on calling them spy vendors? Beyond anything else they have to send transaction data back to facilitate the comission structure (I imagine)... Either way, there is a certain connotation attributed to 'spy'... Why not simply say monitored/managed/audited...

I guess I'm just being nit-picky here..

That was my reaction as well. Another drama inducing thread raises.

There was no comparison between the two services, which probobly do have simular levels of record tracking. I truthfully saw a mild attack on a friend's consideration of privacy. Nothing to indicate a difference between Secondserver and SL Exchange. Merely a mild acusation.

Spy is a buzzword, it makes people think of covert, secretive, hidden, sneaky, underhanded, etc.

I hear these forums are spy forums, everything we say is kept!

The question itself is all fine and well, its a legit question that could be asked to anyone who does anything in SL. I have no way of knowing everyone I talk too isn't logging my conversation in some way.

But the question has been asked once, I say wait for an answer and not berate the topic to drama level. Theres already one and a half threads on it.

Your 'valid concern' consists of wrapping the word 'SPY' around anything that could potentially replace your business. Please refer to my new thread about web commerce vs. malls.

I mean, its a ludicrous as saying - Your SPYCentre Ville Shopping network in the SPY sims of SPY Mahulu, SPY Hanson, SPY Nuba, SPY Lozi, SPY Isabel, SPY Periwinkle, SPY Ross/Samoa, SPY CentreVille, Click for more SPY Info.

Unless of course....they are....wow, you are right, that *is* fun. Thanks SPY Chung! I really appreciate that forum tip on FUD.

Ahh, explains it... reminds me of a nice old function for dropping tier without worry that it'll still be there next month, release land in the about land dialog.


Worship market speek, for buzzwords are the words of gods...

.... Now I remember why I dislike my mechanic and the salesman I buy computer parts from....

This is because I am only aware of one service using vendors that centrally store transaction data. I am not aware of SLExchange doing same thing, but maybe somebody know more.

If you look at poll in this forum you will notice I am not only person concerned about this issue. But maybe I am only person bold enough to speak out about it. I would like see some solution/service from SecondServer and SLExchange that addresses the concerns I raised here. I think both are great service and great idea, but implementation should not violate privacy or lead to information monopoly.

I wonder if there are any scripts for monitoring proximity to all those japanise for sale signs I see.

1. SL Exchange uses a centralized system too.
2. Poll data is inconclusive social bias, and can be manipulated to say my parents are a cube and a desk lamp.

Sooo... will this mean the end of malls?

Good point, I wonder what SPY data they transmit. Surely someone doesn't need scripts in a simple sign unless they were SPYing, eh?

Oops, sorry, channeling someone there for a second. I apologize.

Going to locations to shop does have a positive side, animations, poses, and simular objects are hard to sample without a physical way to see it.
However the high-lag mall method seems flawed in that it's hard to find an individual item when looking for it.
Though they are nice to browse for the same reason if you just have some L$ to spend.

I prefer SLEX.

Just because how much easier it is to use! Both selling and more importantly buying! Don't get me wrong - I think it could be even easier! One simple thing that would help is having the little page turning links at the bottom as well as the top of a page. I hate having to look through a page then go back to the top to look at the next page!

But Second Server is even harder to shop on!

ok.... back on track.... or can we move talk about Anshe's SPY signs and the Gigas' vendors with an audit trail to another thread.

Point being on that, if you were realy nasty you could use one of the many nets that sit on the sl main land to watch people. point is there is no point about that talk here, Anshe has voiced her concerns and lets leave it at that.


back to the real point the way i see it is, SL exchange offer simplicity at higher rates and Gigas' offer a slightly more complicated system for less.

So it realy boils down to ease of use for the seller.

The only down side i know of slexchange is that they dont offer vendors for the inworld feeling.

I would consider this one feature that speak for SLExchange. That way they at least won't track when people buy in world.