Why do you feed the Prokofy Troll?
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Random Unsung
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05-18-2005 09:26
I agree that trolls shouldn't be fed! Put them on a very strict diet, please! We'll see the forums clean up in a heartbeat. When Prok is free to post even an innocent ad for a house in classifieds without a pile-on by hyenas, then the forums will be a better place. From: someone Folks feed the troll because they haven't yet realized that there is something intrinsically wrong with the personality behind the posts. To paraphrase a great post in the Polisci forum, the person of interest presents a facade of intellectual critique that hides an agenda, directed by serious underlying emotional problems. Further, because dialogue does not seem to have an effect on this facade, one cannot debate by any normal rules, as the person of interest's condition does not allow for tolerance, kindness, discipline, or rational thought. Ulrika, coming from you, with your really rude asshat pictures and such, this statement lacks credibility. It's a personal attack on Prok which you've reinterated many times, and gotten others to chime in with. They haven't been models of tolerance, kindness, discipline or rational thought by any stretch of the imagination, so it seems unfair to be applying such strict criteria to Prok. What would it take to convince you that this is false? I understand one or more Lindens have a background in mental health services -- or perhaps they have access to these services as consultants. Perhaps they, and another psychiatrist in RL of your choice, could form a working group and examine Prok in real life, using the ordinary diagnostic tests. Then they could release their findings to the community to render a judgement on Prok's "sanity" and "mental fitness" to play this game and reside in this world. I can think of few individuals who would submit themselves to such a shocking invasion of privacy, but Prok is one of those people. If they will pay the bill, they are also welcome to perform a brain CATSCAN if that would help clear up any lingering forum misunderstandings. If Lindens and a psychiatrist of your choice were able to render a diagnosis on Prok from a RL examination, would that be enough to convince you to cease your baseless slander of him?
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koolhand Koolhaas
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05-18-2005 09:27
From: Jennyfur Peregrine All i really wanted to know was WHY people feel the constant need to respond to troll posts i.e. the recent schlew of Prokofy related threads... That is all.
Seems to be a few different categories of responders. The ones that come to mind at the moment are: legimate point makers making points or trying to reason bandwagon jumpers incensed to the point of hitting reply smart arse barb throwers I think there are some that really don't want it to die.
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Della Street
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05-18-2005 09:32
From: Jennyfur Peregrine Yes i forgot forum/mailing list rule #4265.980 which is to make sure that everything is explained to the Nth degree because if you forget to put in one a notation about this that or the other thing and you will be guaranteed that someone will jump down your throat about this that or the other thing that you neglected to mention.
Missed point #1 I had pretty much only been reading the forums maybe once or twice a month for quite some time now and posting even less. I only started reading the forums semi-regularly again last week.
...more missed points to follow So very true Jenny. I had been away too. But as usual they are all still here whining away about how someone don't see their side of things. Oh, I really don't care who "they" are because it is not important. Maybe they should remember what my daddy told me when my 7 older brothers would pick on me "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all". Well, when daddy wasn't around it didn't work then either. Don't get me wrong, I love my brothers and they did pick on me but it wasn't worth banning them from the house, lol. (too bad for that) It is all words and yeah words can hurt but if you are not secure in who you are then you become one of them and try to hurt "them" back and become a "troll" This is way too funny to go on any further. I have better things to do and more people to ignore. I just wanted say Jenny, that you are fine it is "them" that are evil. roflmao 
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Lash Xevious
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05-18-2005 09:34
I've gotten riled up on a couple of occasions here. They affected me personally despite my involvement was made slightly less obvious because the group was targeted. People say their opinions of others are just that, opinions. But it still hurts. I felt defenseless and scorned for doing something I felt was a good idea at the time.
I've responded to indirect insults summarily targetting me and other people associated with me and only felt disgusted with MYSELF in the end. I can only think I did it because I felt the need to defend myself or my beliefs ... because I feared the repercussions if I didn't respond. I did it because, at the time, I valued the opinions a bunch of strangers in a forum will have of me.
Everytime I do respond to a troll, I feel like a part of me that makes me a good person has died. I honestly can't say I will be able to hold back if another instance came up where my integrity is being questioned, or I have the urge to defend a personal belief. It's just a real sad cycle.
We all take it for granted that we differ in opinion, in morals, even in etiquette. But when we do clash, we do everything BUT accept that that's the way it is. If we agree to disagree, then maybe these lengthy debates won't escalate to such a venemous level.
So that's where I've resigned to. I don't have faith that my stance will carry onto others or even ask it. I'm wary of any attention to myself or my actions now for sure. Fighting just isn't worth it here. In the long run, I lose.
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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05-18-2005 09:35
From: koolhand Koolhaas Seems to be a few different categories of responders. The ones that come to mind at the moment are: legimate point makers making points or trying to reason bandwagon jumpers incensed to the point of hitting reply smart arse barb throwers
I think there are some that really don't want it to die. THANK YOU. The bitter irony is that in all of the complaining about Prok (or any other troll of the day) is that there is only ONE Prok and how many people responding?? 50? 100? more? It takes one person to be a troll and the multitude of responders (no matter how well meaning) to create the flame war and elevate the troll to varying levels of infamy. Congratulations folks on a job well done!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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05-18-2005 09:44
From: Random Unsung Ulrika, coming from you, with your really rude asshat pictures and such, this statement lacks credibility. It's a personal attack on Prok which you've reinterated many times, and gotten others to chime in with. They haven't been models of tolerance, kindness, discipline or rational thought by any stretch of the imagination, so it seems unfair to be applying such strict criteria to Prok. You really need to seek help Prok. I'm sure there's someone out there who could do something positive for you. Until you do make some progress, I'm going to stop communications with you completely. I will no longer talk to you or about you. I'm done. Go get some help, please. ~Ulrika~
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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05-18-2005 09:45
From: Lash Xevious I've responded to indirect insults summarily targetting me and other people associated with me and only felt disgusted with MYSELF in the end. I can only think I did it because I felt the need to defend myself or my beliefs ... because I feared the repercussions if I didn't respond. I did it because, at the time, I valued the opinions a bunch of strangers in a forum will have of me.
I'm guilty myself of feeding numerous flame wars over the years, but the one thing I have tried to do is learn something from them. Things I have learned: 1. Not everyone is likeable 2. Not everyone will like me (as long as you don't call me a c**t, we will be fine) 3. Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how far-fetched and bizarre it may be. And you are entitled to disagree with it. 4. When explaining your POV fails and escalates into the first stages of bickering - try to find a resolve and if that doesn't work walk away 5. Extreme measures should only be taken in extreme circumstances i.e when you or others are being threatened with physical harm etc. YES I have seen this happen. 6. Most importantly, as my experience has proven, most flame wars hold no barring on how I live my life, my pursuits of happiness and so on and so forth. As soon as some person whom I have never met before gets under my skin by spewing vitriolic diatribes through electronic means - I have to say its not worth the time, effort and typing skills. There are more, but I like to keep my posts and responses short and sweet.
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Della Street
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05-18-2005 09:47
From: Lash Xevious I've gotten riled up on a couple of occasions here. They affected me personally despite my involvement was made slightly less obvious because the group was targeted. People say their opinions of others are just that, opinions. But it still hurts. I felt defenseless and scorned for doing something I felt was a good idea at the time.
I've responded to indirect insults summarily targetting me and other people associated with me and only felt disgusted with MYSELF in the end. I can only think I did it because I felt the need to defend myself or my beliefs ... because I feared the repercussions if I didn't respond. I did it because, at the time, I valued the opinions a bunch of strangers in a forum will have of me.
Everytime I do respond to a troll, I feel like a part of me that makes me a good person has died. I honestly can't say I will be able to hold back if another instance came up where my integrity is being questioned, or I have the urge to defend a personal belief. It's just a real sad cycle.
We all take it for granted that we differ in opinion, in morals, even in etiquette. But when we do clash, we do everything BUT accept that that's the way it is. If we agree to disagree, then maybe these lengthy debates won't escalate to such a venemous level.
So that's where I've resigned to. I don't have faith that my stance will carry onto others or even ask it. I'm wary of any attention to myself or my actions now for sure. Fighting just isn't worth it here. In the long run, I lose. Cool down Lash and better get used to it. I had the same thing happen to me and I was so mad and angry because a person and his entourage of submissives come and attacke my character. I didn't like it and nothing was done about it. SO my only options was to think about what really mattered. Obviously, I let him get me upset and mad and that should never have happened. I should have ignored the butthead for who he was and left it at that... but i didn't and continued trying to defend my honor and got my post closed all because he owns alot of land and pays a higher tier than I do, so what. Was it worth it? Not really, because I never should have ever cared what he thought in the first place and the funny thing is, he isn't at all what everyone thinks he is. lol so cheer up and be happy, it is alot more fun than being a negative, bullshitting, nut case here or anywhere else for that matter. 
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Khamon Fate
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05-18-2005 09:48
I do talk to the Prokofy av inworld some. But I talk directly to the Philip av when I really need something.
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Merwan Marker
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05-18-2005 09:53
Jen - you rock! Nice to see you on the Forums! I know exactly what your saying and I try to be short and sweet with Prok - which is not that difficult for me 'cause I don't feel the forums are just for debate. There is way too much fun to be had then to try to win debates, change people's minds or educate them. Sharing hearts, now that's something different! 
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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05-18-2005 09:58
From: Merwan Marker Jen - you rock! Nice to see you on the Forums! I know exactly what your saying and I try to be short and sweet with Prok - which is not that difficult for me 'cause I don't feel the forums are just for debate. There is way too much fun to be had then to try to win debates, change people's minds or educate them. Sharing hearts, now that's something different!  EXCELLENT!
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Pathfinder Linden
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05-18-2005 10:40
Starting threads that focus on an individual in a negative way like this is not appropriate. I am closing it.
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