Unprecedented Locking of a Thread
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Bruno Buckenburger
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03-30-2005 13:32
From: Moopf Murray I'm sorry, you're here to decide what is current or relevant or not as well now? What an utter bunch of bollocks. Decide what is new, decide what is relevant...decide what we can and cannot say. Your excuse is pitifull, at best. You started a new thread to further this...go Pathfinder..... idiocy, pure and simple. First he didn't say whether the topic was relevant but had he it wouldn't have phased me. 9 out of 10 threads on this board disolve into utter nonsense. One has to wade through mounds of bullshit (some heaped on admittedly by yours truly) to get information or an answer. I have NO problems if the Lindens look at topic relevance, content relevance or any other form of relevance. Their toy, their rules. I'm continually amazed by this entitlement mindset.
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Liona Clio
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03-30-2005 13:33
From: David Valentino Less coffee and more sex is prescribed for all.
You offering, David? 
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David Valentino
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03-30-2005 13:34
From: Liona Clio You offering, David?  *gently takes the coffee cup from your hand and sets it on the table..smiles at you and wiggles his eyebrows* 
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Ghoti Nyak
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03-30-2005 13:41
Neualtenburg has its very own forums, moderated by their own people, for discussion of their project. Neualtenburg can happily exist there. Pathfinder linked to them in his closing thread. Given the ability of group forum moderators to censor thier own forums, that is NOT the place for discussion of government in SL as a whole. From: Pathfinder However, I've realized that residents may still wish to discuss "Government in SL" in a more general and open-topic way. Thus, the new thread. -Ghoti
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Liona Clio
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03-30-2005 13:43
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Seth Kanahoe
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03-30-2005 14:37
Personally, I'm satisfied with Ulrika's original concern, and satisfied with Pathfinder Linden's answer. Anything else is a bad imitation of Neil Simon.
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-30-2005 14:41
I think Pathfinder is doing a pretty good job. I think a heavy hand was desperately needed in these forums with the right touch, which I think PF is providing.
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Vanillia Tapioca
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03-30-2005 14:51
um i want what liona is getting please 
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Huns Valen
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03-30-2005 15:01
I have noticed quite a lot of this business over the last few months. If some people are arguing in a thread, it gets locked. If a thread contains a personal attack, it has a really good chance of getting locked, and the people who were arguing don't reach a conclusion. If a thread starts talking about something other than the original topic, it may get locked, even though there was no problem at all with what was actually being discussed. Back in the old days you could argue with and flame people, which is a perfectly natural thing on forums, and participants would actually come to some understanding. They'd agree to disagree, or put each other on ignore if it got bad. Nowadays it's cut off right in the middle and nothing gets resolved, and people either start new threads or snipe at each other in other threads because their original setting for communication was closed. If a thread turns into a personal mud-slinging festival between two people, it should be enough to tell them to stop it and take things to IM. Locking the thread prevents other people from commenting, even though they might have something worthwhile to say, and in my opinion should only be the very last resort.
I think people should feel like they can argue about something without being nannied to death, and I find the current tendencies to lock these threads to be patronizing.
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Loki Pico
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03-30-2005 15:15
Forum rules... From: someone #7: Do not flame or harass moderators Respect this or you will be banned no questions asked. They are here to keep the forums clean, not to take your abuse. Please treat them with respect. If you have a problem with a moderator, private message them and talk it out through there. Do not make a thread bad-mouthing the mod or questioning their authority or you will be warned (2nd offense warrants a ban).
#8: Don't ask why your thread was locked If you do, it will be closed and you may not get an answer. Same goes for editing of posts. If your thread was closed or your post was edited, there is always a good reason. Oh wait, these arent for the SL forums. Carry on.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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03-31-2005 12:17
Things revealed by this thread thus far: 1. No matter how reasonably someone voices a concern, there will be at least one reply that basically amounts to, "omfg stfu n00b!!!1!!1!" 2. It's possible for a moderator to respond to a reasonable question with a reasonable answer. 3. David's in demand. 
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Tang Lightcloud
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03-31-2005 12:37
Huns I have noticed that you are breaking your normal modis operandi lately and writing over one line?? Egads!  Please tell me you are ok -- No fever? All is well?
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Buster Peel
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03-31-2005 12:56
From: Huns Valen I think people should feel like they can argue about something without being nannied to death, and I find the current tendencies to lock these threads to be patronizing. I agree, but so far I haven't seen anything close to somebody being nannied to death. There are a VERY small number of people who resort to personal attacks, character assassination, name calling and such. Once those people are trained everybody will forget about it. I don't think Pathfinder's trigger finger has been too itchy, given the depths to which things had descended. It isn't as though he's ever aborted a "discussion" that was actually going to resolve anything. If only left to their own devices, they would have worked it out? Haw! (I always liked Jeska's style. Short and to the point.) Keep up the good work, Pathfinder. Buster
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-31-2005 13:07
From: Moopf Murray I'm sorry, you're here to decide what is current or relevant or not as well now? What an utter bunch of bollocks. Decide what is new, decide what is relevant...decide what we can and cannot say. Your excuse is pitifull, at best. You started a new thread to further this...go Pathfinder..... idiocy, pure and simple. i agree with moopf... and omg ulrika... end of the world soon and i also disagree that the information was irrelevant. it provides a history of past thoughts. while i have said being a moderator of any forums is a no-win situation and the moderators deserve some slack, the moderators still deserve to be told when they've done something stupid.
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Erikk Steele
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03-31-2005 13:12
I agree Pathfinder did a good job explaining his actions. Reasonable and detailed reasoning. Good Job. What I would like to see is the removal...complete removal...of any posts that are simply inflamatory without intelligent response. (boy am I gonna get it for that one  ) Good start Path...now just keep it going..a bit more..... 
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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I agree with Ulrika.
03-31-2005 14:13
Pathfinder should not have closed Ulrika's thread on government. His explanation about people being confused by a gap in the posts doesn't make sense, there are many things about many threads that might confuse people, such as pointless references to tin foil hats, and those posts don't get closed.
There is a very significant difference between the old post and the new post - the old post was started by Ulrika and the new one was started by Pathfinder Linden. Ulrika is an avowed socialist and advocate of government and politics in SL. Closing a thread by her on government for such a frivolous reason as Pathfinder cited is like closing a thread on electricity started by Nikola Tesla.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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03-31-2005 14:32
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Pathfinder should not have closed Ulrika's thread on government. His explanation about people being confused by a gap in the posts doesn't make sense, there are many things about many threads that might confuse people, such as pointless references to tin foil hats, and those posts don't get closed. Yes. Despite saying that I'd let it drop, I have to admit that it still bothers me. I just cannot see the logic in locking a thread that had no ongoing arguments, only a new civil discussion tacked to the end of a resurrected thread. Why start a new precedent of randomly locking resurrected threads? I say unlock it. ~Ulrika~
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