Uh-oh

Let me get right to the point, this is a thread about stolen scripts, so if your sick of em, stop reading NOW.


Up until now, I was unaware of any of my scripts being sold in any company other then mine (Fallen-Faith inc. Gunstore in jessie, cant miss it). But alas, I have.

Ill admit it, im useing a modified version of an old davada gun script for my guns, Ive added and changed many things from that script. Sadly, an old version of the script is currently being sold in all opfor guns. I asked cyanide nicly to take them down, but he refuses. He also asked me about a month or two ago to make a muiltbarrel gun script (uses link messages to tell the barrels to fire, this one wasnt modified) and he is now selling that in the muiltbarrel gun he is selling in the luna shops. After asking him many times to take them down, even haveing the lindens intervene, he still refuses, and has even gone so far as to try and destroy my akar project by makeing a similar project nextdoor to it in mocha.


This post is a warning. NO matter how good a friend you are with someone, never, EVER, give them a copy of your script. I found this out the hard way.

This brings up an interesting question - one that is more complex now that we own the intellectual rights to what we do.

My understanding is that someone (forget who) bought the right to sell the OpFor guns from Jack Orlowski when he left SL... and then Cy bought the righ to sell them from that other person. Did Jack have permission to sell the guns with the script you created? If so, does Jack have the right to sell THAT right to other people when he is no longer using it?

I have no idea what the answers are, but this is a very complicated situation!

open source

kidding, of course. this is a messy situation, ryen best of luck in figuring it out.

Thanks, but bodi is right, I dont think he has the rights, when I sold the rights to jack, i SOLD THE RIGHTS TO JACK.

But its already been settled, nothing that ll can do. BUt theres something the people can do, please stop supporting a company that blatently steals scripts.

Just a word in Cy's defense - if I had bought the RIGHTS to sell something, I would assume that this meant I had the right to sell that something. I think this is a great gray area, and one that there will eventually have to be a policy about, because it would be very easy for two well-meaning people to end up in a terrible dispute over just such a thing.

Not that I think there are ANY well-meaning people involved in THIS dispute! Just scoundrels and evil-doers! <wink>

B

now now bhodi, if i didnt do it, who would

Ryen, you whent cryng to michael, and he told you that there was no grounds for telling me not to use DAVADA'S script, i mean,what did you mod in it? the name of the bullet, the sound it played, how fast it rezzes bullets, changes easily made by anyone else? and, after you found that you couldent do anything linden realted, you tried to get me to pay 10 000 L$ for it, ryen, this is the last straw, tommorow im going to post the script on the Scripting Forums.

I really think that when you sell or give the rights for something, in this case the script, you reliquish your rights to it. Those rights now belong to the receiver, and then they're his or her rights, do do with as they please.

The only way this could work in your favor is if you had a written contract saying specifically that these bought rights are non-transferable, or at the very least give you first chance to buy the rights back should the buyer decide to sell the script off.

the worst part is, this all stemmed from me deleteing his guns he put up in MY gun shop, and he thought of everything he could do to screw me over. Its all very petty for him to go and seek retrebution for me practicing practical buisness sense.

Sounds to me like the game needs a copyright lawyer or two on-call to clarify situations like this.

it WAS cleared up by Michael and Lee Linden, but he still has to get his way

It sounds like he's not believing the Lindens. Maybe if he heard what the law has to say, from a lawyer, he'll believe it.

Alright, let me summarise this situation for everyone.

Ryen gets davada's gun script. He changes the sound it plays. Changes how fast the bullets travel. Puts a comment on top. And claims that its his script now.

Then he sells the rights to sell "his" script in the OpFor guns to Jack Orlowski- FOR 50 DOLLARS.

Jack sells the rights to the OpFor guns to <person>. <person > sells these rights to Cyanide (Note: Cyanide now pretty much runs OpFor). Ryen's guns are deleted from the OpFor gun shop by Cyanide, and Ryen goes crazy for revenge.

Also, the project that is supposedly in mocha next to akar is 1) NOT THERE 2) Isnt centralized in one location anyways 3) Isnt meant to ruin akar 4) Is infinetly better

ALSO, in regards to the multi-barrel script.. anyone, ANYONE with a little scripting know-how could do that, and besides, Ryen never told cyanide to not sell the script in a gun...


Hope that clarifies the situation.

thats a perfect summary of what happened over the weekend

Erm, people, i've made guns before and there's like, zero knowledge to it: first gun i made instantly killed whoever it hit, second gun i made instantly killed everyone in a 96 meter radius over and over again and thats the end of that.
Stop whining about your worthless little scripts. A real computer program is measured in thousands or millions of lines of code. Now THAT is something worth a copyright and probably a few patents.
Hmm now that I think of it, I could probably make a gun that would kill everyone in the world at the touch of a button, but since there's so little damage enabled land there isnt much of a point in going beyond the standard 96m sensor killer.

Does Eggy have friends, I mean really, does he? I've heard it's lonely playing god.

Bos

so you're saying here that every script in SL is little and worthless then? Ah... I see...

Even God has friends... I should know, I AM one! (at least, that's what the little voice inside my head tells me)



-Bone

Lonely playing, not necessarily being. Big difference. :)

Bos

Nope. Darklife certainly isnt little and worthless, neither are xylor's excellent rezzors, but gun scripts, i cant imagine whats so precious about them... it's too easy to make extremely overpowered weapons in SL. Makes fighting a matter of who pulls out his instadeath sensor killer first. Or who sits first. It's impossible to prevent cheating, which is why many players have created their own damage systems.

What do you think I was getting at, eggy?

EDIT: MY CAT WONT STOP LICKING MY SHIRT!!

Mine does that too. But whats that got to do with gun scripts? oO;

any 1 line of code is worthy of copyright, and any original idea is a patentable invention.



Uhm, polly NOT!

Incorrect. The proper measure of a computer program is by *what it does and how well it does it*

With regards,
Antagonistic Protagonist