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So... was the hard drive crash reason a lie? |
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nightrider Langdon
Second Life Resident
Join date: 25 Oct 2004
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01-01-2005 10:43
i agree with most of the replys ive read about hard drives and the data bases its not an easy job , my brother works for a company who has data bases and hes told me when it goes down finding he problem is like a needle in the hay stack takes hrs some times to find out the real cause theres so many componets in the data baseill bet with out really looking in side a data base theres more than one hard drive
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Maeve Morgan
ZOMG Resmod!
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,512
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01-01-2005 10:48
I didn't know I was anyones favorite I thought I was a pain in the ass.
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onionpencil Musashi
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2004
Posts: 324
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wheeee
01-01-2005 10:51
i'm special! i'm a favorite already... only took an hour to get on, i must be realllllllllly loved...
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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01-01-2005 11:07
I am confused. All these people that are so distraught, so distrustful of LL, why do you stay? Why do you give money to people you don't apparently like or trust? Is it masochism? Is it a vendetta, a desire to smear those who have 'hurt' you so much, ruined your lives because of a couple days of downtime? If it's SO frigging painful for you that it drives you to present irrational questions and general contempt for the developers do us all a favor and just GO AWAY. We won't miss you. We will get along just fine without the conspiracy theories and wound licking.
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,826
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01-01-2005 11:46
do us all a favor and just GO AWAY What will that solve? |
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Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,869
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01-01-2005 11:48
I've replaced a hard drive before. In fact I've replaced dozens. A hard drive crash this was not. when you're running a raid array with a massive mysql database on it, and one of the raid drives craps out, simply replacing the drive does not fix it . first the drive has to be integrated back into the raid array, which can take a few hours, then the database being mysql probably was broke. mysql isn't very failsoft. there are tools for repairing tables but I bet there were also lindens going through the thing manually and making sure tables where working and contained approx the right info.so ya, no lying involved. oops, your inventory is gone? hehe, pheonix must have seen the post. _____________________
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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01-01-2005 12:36
It didn't take them that long long to fix, they just locked the rest of us out and let their favorites play. Their system can't handle us all and yes they need scalability. Fat chance. Dallas Moreau: You obviously havent been around very long. Wow, another stupid statement graces the forum. _____________________
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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01-01-2005 12:37
What will that solve? We wouldn't have to listen to them repeatedly whine. A big plus in my book. _____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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01-01-2005 12:41
-Wow, another stupid statement graces the forum. Heehehehe i saw many of the "favorites" posting here on the forums that they were infact locked out... So Deklax who pray tell where the favorites that were let in? ![]() _____________________
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Tread Whiplash
Crazy Crafter
Join date: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 291
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It was Me, Sorry!
01-01-2005 12:49
Merwan -
I have to admit, it was ME they were letting on! You see, I had router troubles for 3 days around XMas, and couldn't play after signing up. They took pity on me, so when I WAS able to connect, they took down the whole system so I could explore the world on my own. Unfortunately, they were over-enthusiastic, and knocked me out for a day or two as well. But I still got in for a short bit sometimes when others couldn't. So I guess the lynching mob of llamas should show up at my door soon. I will face my death with dignity! ............Oops! I accidentally left my SARCASM LOCK on! ![]() Take care, --Noel "HB" Wade (Tread Whiplash) |
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Dallas Moreau
Registered User
Join date: 7 Dec 2004
Posts: 146
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01-01-2005 15:43
It didn't take them that long long to fix, they just locked the rest of us out and let their favorites play. Their system can't handle us all and yes they need scalability. Fat chance. Dallas Moreau: You obviously havent been around very long. True. Ain't it amazing that I already know how to handle myself better than you do. _____________________
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Deklax Fairplay
Black Sun
Join date: 2 Jul 2004
Posts: 357
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01-01-2005 18:21
So Deklax who pray tell where the favorites that were let in? ![]() lol you all loved that =P my definition of favorites during the crash was the ones that were able to get in, whats yours? I didnt relize there was a registered list i should have been refering to. Usually i would consider the favorites estate owners. |
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MrsJakal Suavage
Purple Butterfly
Join date: 18 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,434
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01-01-2005 19:09
Wow, another stupid statement graces the forum. Oh please Devlin...like your statements are always intelligent! ROFL!!!! ![]() _____________________
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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01-02-2005 02:11
Oh please Devlin...like your statements are always intelligent! ROFL!!!! ![]() They aren't? *Runs and sniffles in the corner.* _____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
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Azelda Garcia
Azelda Garcia
Join date: 3 Nov 2003
Posts: 819
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01-02-2005 02:56
> Using RAID5 these days is silly.
> > It was designed to be less expensive than mirroring a drive and with the low price of drives these days, it just doesnt (usually) make much sense to use RAID5. RAID 1 + 0 is the way to go .. and be sure to use disks from different vendors for your mirrors, or at a minimum disks from different manufacturing batches. Drives are *expensive*. Sure, you can buy ide drives for not very much, but look at the price of a 15000rpm SCSI Compaq drive, and its really tons, lots, not to be sniffed at. I was working as a sysadmin in a major investment bank - before I quit to backpack a little - and RAID5 was standard. Prior to that, I was the senior windows engineer on a 500-user site, prior to that, and again we were using RAID5 as standard throughout our servers. In fact, I dont remember seeing anything other than RAID5 used anywhere except in MCSE exam books. Consider also that the trend in recent years has been migration to NAS/SAN technology. These are massively RAIDed, along the lines of RAID5. Azelda |
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Marker Dinova
I eat yellow paperclips.
Join date: 13 Sep 2004
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01-02-2005 06:08
I've replaced a hard drive before. In fact I've replaced dozens. A hard drive crash this was not. It's always easier to choose winning moves in chess while you're not playing. _____________________
The difference between you and me = me - you.
The difference between me and you = you - me. add them up and we have 2The 2difference 2between 2me 2and 2you = 0 2(The difference between me and you) = 0 The difference between me and you = 0/2 The difference between me and you = 0 I never thought we were so similar ![]() |
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Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,869
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01-02-2005 16:36
hmm... I suck at chess even if I'm telling someone else how to play it.
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Darwin Appleby
I Was Beaten With Satan
Join date: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 2,779
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01-02-2005 16:40
Oh my god, make your signature ONE FREAKING LINE.
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Touche.
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Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,869
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01-02-2005 16:48
Oh my god, make your signature ONE FREAKING LINE. lol, but this is so much more fun. We can't all get by with one word. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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01-02-2005 16:55
This is what LL needs to decide - do they intend to run this service, and that's what it is, on an Enterprise class platform? If so, it's time to start spending that $8 million on infrastructure. They need to be running a serious database on the backend, like Oracle 10g, that can scale to the kinds of volume they need and take advantage of an underlying, fully redundant hardware platform. I'm a huge fan of Open Source, and anything in general that takes Microsoft down a peg or two, but MySQL is not, and never will be, an enterprise database system. It was probably fine for a startup company, but plans should have been made to have migrated a long time ago. LL has some great vision, but they missed looking far enough forward on this one... Oracle isn't much better than mysql either. If you were an Oracle DBA you'd have war stories to match anything mysql puts out. I sat down with an EQ2 manager the other night and discussed their recent 48 hour nightmare and trust me, they are not running MySQL and yes, it was a pure database problem beset with all sorts of data loss pain. MySQL is fine. They just need to spread out the pain so if a database gets toasted (cause it will, guaranteed) they will have other boxes in the grid which will take over. You can't enterprise class your way to reliability. That's a fantasy. All you end up doing is just spending a lot of money spreading out databases and systems across enterprise class machines rather than spreading it out across pc-class machines. Yeah, you exchange fewer hard drives but you still have to do it and so really reliability is pretty much the same. _____________________
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