The Soloution
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-12-2005 04:41
From: Talen Morgan More welfare is the wrong way to go. If anything the new player should start off with some funds whilke the older players get cut off as they become more established.
Paying people to spend time in the game is absurd. That is what they do in Worldsaway and it seems to work well. So, is the paycheck you earn each week welfare? I consider the base pay a paycheck
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Victoria Moonflower
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01-12-2005 05:15
I just want to point out that yes, they do do this in Worlds Away (assuming you're talking about what is now VZones). There's a reason for this though, there is no player created content. If you want to buy items (unless you buy old ones from in game shops), you buy from the company vendors, as they create all the items in game (with the exception of those on the AW art program). They also routinely have major raffles and burn the tokens at the end.
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Ahkin Pierce
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At Monthly Dont I actually pay more in the long run to the lindens?
01-12-2005 05:28
I don't see why I should get less for paying more in the long run. Can you please explain your take on this?
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Ahkin Pierce
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And I did mean as opposed to Monthly, Yearly , NOT ISLAND OWNERS
01-12-2005 05:29
And I did mean as opposed to Monthly, Yearly , NOT ISLAND OWNERS
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
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01-12-2005 06:42
With your proposed solution a $9.95 basic account holder gets $250L per week. When a basic account member first signs up, they get $1000L. Referal bonus for signing up a basic account holder is $1000L.
So for $9.95 a basic account holder would make $14,000L in a year, with another $1000L being generated as a referal = $15,000L created for a one time account.
At current $L valuations thats about $60 USD.
Your proposed plan would cause a massive devaluation in the $L.
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-12-2005 06:50
From: Schwanson Schlegel With your proposed solution a $9.95 basic account holder gets $250L per week. When a basic account member first signs up, they get $1000L. Referal bonus for signing up a basic account holder is $1000L.
So for $9.95 a basic account holder would make $14,000L in a year, with another $1000L being generated as a referal = $15,000L created for a one time account.
At current $L valuations thats about $60 USD.
Your proposed plan would cause a massive devaluation in the $L. Your point is???
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Schwanson Schlegel
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01-12-2005 07:12
From: Magnum Serpentine Your point is??? If your plan's goals are to cause rampant devaluation of the $L and inflation, then it will work well to achieve that.
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Jauani Wu
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01-12-2005 07:13
From: Schwanson Schlegel If your plan's goals are to cause rampant devaluation of the $L and inflation, then it will work well to achieve that. i agree 100%
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Nexus Nash
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01-12-2005 07:16
From: someone Island owners= 5,000 per week because they pay 200 bucks a month
Lifetime Members=2000 per week.
Yearly memberships=1,500 per week
6 month memberships=1000 per week
Quarterly Memberships= 750 per week
monthly memberships=500 per week
Lifetime 9.95 dollar members= 250 per week.
The list is totally flawed. If you wanna do it this way, and sort into categories... 1. Basic the one time 9.95 no monthly 2. Any paying membership That's it! None of this if you spend more money you get more L$. If you want more go to GOM with all that extra cash (to buy your L$) And the whole 10L$ an hour... say hello to anti-idle scripts and bandwith costs going up. Not to mention a community of AFKers... I can assure you this would hurt SL! *stamps* Not approved!
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Herohacker Raine
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01-12-2005 07:23
Yes it will hurt SL because of the idlers. Had to put my 2 cents in. Because alot of us are poor. 
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Jolene Jade
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01-12-2005 07:55
Alot of people say .... worries about the unknown is silly. Alot of people say this is just a game. To me it became abit more once there was a real trade market involved with this "game". I dont think everyone that is sitting ok with new changes would be so cool if it was something that happened in so called "real life". I think it would draw big concerns. It has disappointed me greatly that no consideration wasnt given as to the feeling of the members and their input was not welcome prior to this change. I guess it is to CRAZY of me to even feel that I should, we should...have any voice at all about it. I would guess we will be fine...and everything will work its self out but I feel alittle used...sorry if I feel put out by the serve up of it all....and yes it will make a huge impact on the way we conduct our sl lives those of who choose not to recognize. I am glad to see a solution, idea or thought process of a member that took a stab at it even if the effort is moot. GOOD FOR YOU MAGS!!!
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-12-2005 08:31
From: Nexus Nash The list is totally flawed. If you wanna do it this way, and sort into categories... 1. Basic the one time 9.95 no monthly 2. Any paying membership
That's it! None of this if you spend more money you get more L$. If you want more go to GOM with all that extra cash (to buy your L$)
And the whole 10L$ an hour... say hello to anti-idle scripts and bandwith costs going up. Not to mention a community of AFKers... I can assure you this would hurt SL!
*stamps* Not approved! U.S. Supreme COurt looks at Nexus's ruleing and says, Overruled and Unconstitutional. Please Nexus, before you explode like this, read my post. YOu will see for the 10 dollar an hour thing, I say the Lindens would easily add to the TOS that stay alive programs are not allowed and would result in a suspension. ANd it would be easy to detect them. Plus I also state that a 30 minute afk timeout would be in effect. My system for rates is sound. Those who have islands and lifetime 225 have not gotten the full benefit of their membership Receaving 4096 meters free and 500 as a basic check is not enought. My basic check would be fine. Besides a lot of islanders open up their islands to all and they do not see anything because Dwell is dirt cheep. and 9.95 people cannot get by with just 50 a week 250 a week would be better then whatever they get by howmany hours they spend in world. The 10 dollar level could be 5 or even 50 but 10 is a good starting level. It seems the only people who love the new changes are those who follow a conservative policy or are heavily involved with trading cash on the gaming money markets.
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Devlin Gallant
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01-12-2005 08:51
From: Magnum Serpentine U.S. Supreme COurt looks at Nexus's ruleing and says, Overruled and Unconstitutional.
Please Nexus, before you explode like this, read my post. YOu will see for the 10 dollar an hour thing, I say the Lindens would easily add to the TOS that stay alive programs are not allowed and would result in a suspension. ANd it would be easy to detect them. Plus I also state that a 30 minute afk timeout would be in effect.
My system for rates is sound. Those who have islands and lifetime 225 have not gotten the full benefit of their membership Receaving 4096 meters free and 500 as a basic check is not enought. My basic check would be fine. Besides a lot of islanders open up their islands to all and they do not see anything because Dwell is dirt cheep.
and 9.95 people cannot get by with just 50 a week 250 a week would be better then whatever they get by howmany hours they spend in world. The 10 dollar level could be 5 or even 50 but 10 is a good starting level.
It seems the only people who love the new changes are those who follow a conservative policy or are heavily involved with trading cash on the gaming money markets. Your system is NOT sound. Unless you WANT rampant inflation.
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-12-2005 09:01
From: Devlin Gallant Your system is NOT sound. Unless you WANT rampant inflation. I think its only the ones who trade on the gaming markets who don;t want this.
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Nyna Slate
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01-12-2005 09:21
Does anyone remember back when they introduced dwell that LL mentioned it was their intent to do away with LL funded evnets? Or that the reason Mentors and Instrustors (at that time ) received no dwell wasbecause all those classes and events ( at the time) had to be held on LL land? This whole thing about the cut in stipen happened when beta ppl were paid 3500 a week in stipen and it got cut to 500 with bonus. We lived and adjusted. Of course thats when the taxes and teleaport fees were removed. Also land fees went from $3 to $1 a meter ( before the introduction of Auctions)( which no one wanted either)
I think Magnum is on to an idea that could be adapted some how. Maybe, so the big money makers dont get more for a stipen, If you have a game income of a certian level on a regular basis your stipen could be effected by that. Time in game should be awareded, I agree, but then you have the ppl that will find the bots that will keep the game running for you while your not there. face it these changes are the out come of abuse to the system set in place and complaints. Ok blast away
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Jolene Jade
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01-12-2005 09:54
From: Nyna Slate Does anyone remember back when they introduced dwell that LL mentioned it was their intent to do away with LL funded evnets? Or that the reason Mentors and Instrustors (at that time ) received no dwell wasbecause all those classes and events ( at the time) had to be held on LL land? This whole thing about the cut in stipen happened when beta ppl were paid 3500 a week in stipen and it got cut to 500 with bonus. We lived and adjusted. Of course thats when the taxes and teleaport fees were removed. Also land fees went from $3 to $1 a meter ( before the introduction of Auctions)( which no one wanted either)
I think Magnum is on to an idea that could be adapted some how. Maybe, so the big money makers dont get more for a stipen, If you have a game income of a certian level on a regular basis your stipen could be effected by that. Time in game should be awareded, I agree, but then you have the ppl that will find the bots that will keep the game running for you while your not there. face it these changes are the out come of abuse to the system set in place and complaints. Ok blast away Brilliant points....its so true that if someone wants to exploit they will find a way no matter what parameters are set in place...its their thrill. I like Mags ideas....and some others I have read. I am glad you brought up the cut before and how it wasnt so bad after all. Even tho Robins post was kinda vague as to the exact intent, your rite....we will live and adjust.
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-12-2005 10:47
The Soloution is very important so I am booting it back to the top
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Papillon Chatnoir
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01-12-2005 10:59
Geeeeez I didn't realise u were in Dreamscape too huggggggz U
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Blake Rockwell
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01-12-2005 11:02
From: Magnum Serpentine Second Life has a system that boots people after 30 minutes of inactivity. And if someone writes a program to keep them on line, its easy to write one that counters their stay alive program. Use Chat Logs.
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Schwanson Schlegel
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01-12-2005 11:08
Magnum, The critical flaw with your plan is that it will introduce too many $L into the economy. Your main point seems to be that it will get more $L into the hands of the consumers.
But what I think you are failing to see is that if that occurs, everything will cost more. As time goes on ALOT more. Rent paid in $L will have to follow the trend because the $USD equivelant will be continually dropping, that will of course cause a chain reaction in the prices of everything inworld. That $1000L Seburo will cost $10,000L in no time. Then perhaps $100,000. The upside is a $25L rate will be the cheapest thing in SL.
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-12-2005 14:31
From: Schwanson Schlegel Magnum, The critical flaw with your plan is that it will introduce too many $L into the economy. Your main point seems to be that it will get more $L into the hands of the consumers.
But what I think you are failing to see is that if that occurs, everything will cost more. As time goes on ALOT more. Rent paid in $L will have to follow the trend because the $USD equivelant will be continually dropping, that will of course cause a chain reaction in the prices of everything inworld. That $1000L Seburo will cost $10,000L in no time. Then perhaps $100,000. The upside is a $25L rate will be the cheapest thing in SL. Well I think prices are already going up now.
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Trimda Hedges
Creator of Useless Prims
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01-12-2005 14:41
See, reading this thread, you guys made it way to complicated. I'm tellin ya, K.I.S.S is the only way to go. This solution requires the participation of all parties involved thou. Windows Users ========== format c: /u Linux Users (and LL's servers) =================== mkfs /dev/hda (or if you have scsi mkfs /dev/sda) Problem fixed, enjoy the blank screen asking for the boot disk on your next boot up. Its allot more stimulating  Ok, I'm done making fun of the topic. For the serious part, why not just reduce it to L$10/hour, no matter what your paying? This keeps it equitable, and the more you play, the more you make! 
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Devlin Gallant
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01-13-2005 12:47
From: Magnum Serpentine I think its only the ones who trade on the gaming markets who don;t want this. I don't trade. Maybe you should practice thinking, instead of doing it only occasionaly. You might get better at it.
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