Second Life Forums Archive - Should Linden Lab provide compensation if Telehubs go away?

Pendari Lorentz

Senior Member

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,372

09-02-2005 13:02

Only if I can have my land in Olive back that I had to give up because of the land pricing changes of 2.1!

hehe.. I voted no of course. Everyone else that has voted no and responded has already stated the same reasons I would.

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Faminu Sojourner

Buttons aren't toys

Join date: 1 Oct 2004

Posts: 138

09-02-2005 13:20

From: Fushichou Mfume

I'd just like to make the point that as a consumer, I NEVER... repeat NEVER look at any of the content around a telehub.

NEVER.

Telehubs are a nuisance and that's all. As soon as I rez at a telehub, I /roam to my destination. Before I got my hands on a ROAM unit, I would just fly straight up to 150+ meter and then fly to my destination, never once looking at the buildings or objects around the telehub.

Those of you that think a telehub makes your property more valuable, I'd say you ought to reevaluate. I'd offer the suggestion that telehub proximity makes land far LESS valuable. I paid premium $L to purchase land that was as far from a telehub as possible, and as far from any direct route from a telehub to a popular locale as possible. It sure is nice having relative privacy, not much lag and no huge ugly boxes all around me.

Ditto - no offense to the owers/proprieters of telehub malls I just fly past them (or up) as soon and I teleport in.

I roam and will stop to shop if I see a nice, unique or interesting place - we need more of those!!

Bruno Buckenburger

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Join date: 30 Dec 2004

Posts: 464

09-02-2005 13:36

My first thought is to quote Judge Smails from Caddyshack -- "You'll get nothing and like it!"

The answer is 'no' LL owes nothing. How many times have creators been adversely affected by changes in the program? How much compensation has LL provided to those people? I would guess none however if that has happened I'd be interested in knowing the circumstances.

Taco Rubio

also quite creepy

Join date: 15 Feb 2004

Posts: 3,349

09-02-2005 13:45

From: Bruno Buckenburger

My first thought is to quote Judge Smails from Caddyshack -- "You'll get nothing and like it!"

The answer is 'no' LL owes nothing. How many times have creators been adversely affected by changes in the program? How much compensation has LL provided to those people? I would guess none however if that has happened I'd be interested in knowing the circumstances.

What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?

Gabe Lippmann

"Phone's ringing, Dude."

Join date: 14 Jun 2004

Posts: 4,219

09-02-2005 13:47

Oh. It looks good on you, though.

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Nolan Nash

Frischer Frosch

Join date: 15 May 2003

Posts: 7,141

09-02-2005 14:20

I am in the camp that says risk = risk, not guarantees.

If we start compensating Tom, Dick, and Harry, every time LL makes feature changes, adds a feature, or removes one, we will be in a world of hurt. There is no possible fair means by which to set criteria for who gets compensated for what and how much.

The land barons fought the name title "land baron" for a good period of time, and wanted to be called "speculators". Well, live with the results that come with the title...

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Taco Rubio

also quite creepy

Join date: 15 Feb 2004

Posts: 3,349

09-02-2005 14:20

From: Gabe Lippmann

Oh. It looks good on you, though.

So what? So let's dance!

Jonquille Noir

Lemon Fresh

Join date: 17 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,025

09-02-2005 14:37

No. Not unless they're first going to compensate everyone else whose land lost value to due the release of new land, or a Linden controlled change in their landscape.

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Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

09-02-2005 17:08

No, unless they compensate every individual who has lost sales thanks to the content exploit last month.

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Ananda Sandgrain

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Join date: 16 May 2003

Posts: 1,951

09-02-2005 17:14

Thanks for all the replies. I agree with the general sentiment - to ask Linden Lab to start compensating for losses incurred due to changes in the way the platform works would result in a never-ending pile of claims. There can be no guarantees that actions taken for the overall improvement of this world will never cause disruption of existing services or scenarios.

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Roxie Marten

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Join date: 18 Feb 2004

Posts: 291

09-02-2005 17:52

No, That's the hazzard of doing buisness is things change. The world of buiness is chocked full of examples of changes that has hurt buisness. The plant that closes and take most of the dinners from a resturant across the street with it. A new interstate is opened and the old road is obsolete. No one compensates thease people for their loss. If people in Second Life want to run a real business with real money they have to be willing to accept real risk and loss as well.

a lost user

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Posts: ?

Well

09-04-2005 18:54

Well if telehubs go away, I will shoot myself in the foot =P

Seriously - bad idea.

Torley Linden

Enlightenment!

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

09-04-2005 19:00

Is there a technical limitation against making a wide swath of land with P2P TPing and no telehubs?

Seems like a place like Island Sandbox, you can TP anywhere onto there, so if they just amplified that across a few sims, we could at least experiment with something new (and old at the same time) and have the "legacy" sims unaffected.

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Luth Brodie

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Join date: 31 May 2004

Posts: 530

09-05-2005 10:45

no because anyone who buys land has a high chance that it will go down in value. Whether that be because of ugly nasty builds, a high lag club next door, or change the the teleporting system. If they get money back, I want some back for the 5 different plots I've had that I lost on because of the high lag of neighbors.

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Should Linden Lab provide compensation if Telehubs go away?
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	09-02-2005 13:02 Only if I can have my land in Olive back that I had to give up because of the land pricing changes of 2.1! hehe.. I voted no of course. Everyone else that has voted no and responded has already stated the same reasons I would. _____________________ hugs everyone
Faminu Sojourner Buttons aren't toys Join date: 1 Oct 2004 Posts: 138	09-02-2005 13:20 From: Fushichou Mfume I'd just like to make the point that as a consumer, I NEVER... repeat NEVER look at any of the content around a telehub. NEVER. Telehubs are a nuisance and that's all. As soon as I rez at a telehub, I /roam to my destination. Before I got my hands on a ROAM unit, I would just fly straight up to 150+ meter and then fly to my destination, never once looking at the buildings or objects around the telehub. Those of you that think a telehub makes your property more valuable, I'd say you ought to reevaluate. I'd offer the suggestion that telehub proximity makes land far LESS valuable. I paid premium $L to purchase land that was as far from a telehub as possible, and as far from any direct route from a telehub to a popular locale as possible. It sure is nice having relative privacy, not much lag and no huge ugly boxes all around me. Ditto - no offense to the owers/proprieters of telehub malls I just fly past them (or up) as soon and I teleport in. I roam and will stop to shop if I see a nice, unique or interesting place - we need more of those!!
Bruno Buckenburger Registered User Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 464	09-02-2005 13:36 My first thought is to quote Judge Smails from Caddyshack -- "You'll get nothing and like it!" The answer is 'no' LL owes nothing. How many times have creators been adversely affected by changes in the program? How much compensation has LL provided to those people? I would guess none however if that has happened I'd be interested in knowing the circumstances.
Taco Rubio also quite creepy Join date: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 3,349	09-02-2005 13:45 From: Bruno Buckenburger My first thought is to quote Judge Smails from Caddyshack -- "You'll get nothing and like it!" The answer is 'no' LL owes nothing. How many times have creators been adversely affected by changes in the program? How much compensation has LL provided to those people? I would guess none however if that has happened I'd be interested in knowing the circumstances. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?
Gabe Lippmann "Phone's ringing, Dude." Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 4,219	09-02-2005 13:47 Oh. It looks good on you, though. _____________________ go to Nocturnal Threads
Nolan Nash Frischer Frosch Join date: 15 May 2003 Posts: 7,141	09-02-2005 14:20 I am in the camp that says risk = risk, not guarantees. If we start compensating Tom, Dick, and Harry, every time LL makes feature changes, adds a feature, or removes one, we will be in a world of hurt. There is no possible fair means by which to set criteria for who gets compensated for what and how much. The land barons fought the name title "land baron" for a good period of time, and wanted to be called "speculators". Well, live with the results that come with the title... _____________________ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
Taco Rubio also quite creepy Join date: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 3,349	09-02-2005 14:20 From: Gabe Lippmann Oh. It looks good on you, though. So what? So let's dance!
Jonquille Noir Lemon Fresh Join date: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,025	09-02-2005 14:37 No. Not unless they're first going to compensate everyone else whose land lost value to due the release of new land, or a Linden controlled change in their landscape. _____________________ Little Rebel Designs Gallinas
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	09-02-2005 17:08 No, unless they compensate every individual who has lost sales thanks to the content exploit last month. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Ananda Sandgrain +0- Join date: 16 May 2003 Posts: 1,951	09-02-2005 17:14 Thanks for all the replies. I agree with the general sentiment - to ask Linden Lab to start compensating for losses incurred due to changes in the way the platform works would result in a never-ending pile of claims. There can be no guarantees that actions taken for the overall improvement of this world will never cause disruption of existing services or scenarios. _____________________
Roxie Marten Crumedgeon Join date: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 291	09-02-2005 17:52 No, That's the hazzard of doing buisness is things change. The world of buiness is chocked full of examples of changes that has hurt buisness. The plant that closes and take most of the dinners from a resturant across the street with it. A new interstate is opened and the old road is obsolete. No one compensates thease people for their loss. If people in Second Life want to run a real business with real money they have to be willing to accept real risk and loss as well.
a lost user Join date: ? Posts: ?	Well 09-04-2005 18:54 Well if telehubs go away, I will shoot myself in the foot =P Seriously - bad idea.
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	09-04-2005 19:00 Is there a technical limitation against making a wide swath of land with P2P TPing and no telehubs? Seems like a place like Island Sandbox, you can TP anywhere onto there, so if they just amplified that across a few sims, we could at least experiment with something new (and old at the same time) and have the "legacy" sims unaffected. _____________________
Luth Brodie Registered User Join date: 31 May 2004 Posts: 530	09-05-2005 10:45 no because anyone who buys land has a high chance that it will go down in value. Whether that be because of ugly nasty builds, a high lag club next door, or change the the teleporting system. If they get money back, I want some back for the 5 different plots I've had that I lost on because of the high lag of neighbors. _____________________ "'Aarrr,' roared the Pirate Captain, because it seemed a good way to end the conversation." The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists. Reel Expression Poses and Animations: reelgeek.co.uk/blog

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