More Christians threaten traditional family values

First it was the BTK serial killer. Now a Christain radio host has been arrested on charges of child pornography.

http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3096477&nav=1TcRXexj&Call=Email&Format=HTML

Please ask Christians to stop threatening the sancity of the American Family and traditional moral values.

So instead of a murder, BTK is a Christian. Instead of a pedophile, the other guy is a Christian. Just because you claim to be something doesn't mean you are. Their activites clearly show that they are not Christian. These guys are about as Christian as you are an American patriot, Neehai.

But if that's the route you wanna go, let's look at some evidence of the pedophilic nature of the male homosexual. How about the rape and murder of a 10 year old boy? I guess being gay means you're on board with NAMBLA, right? I mean following your "logic" from your post, that would seem to be the case.

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200402270920.asp
http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/sicari.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17905
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/01/08/nambla.suit.crim/

Wow, and there is our wonderful ACLU right out front defending these guys. I'd say "God bless the (anti) American Left," but you don't believe in Him so why bother?

-Kiamat Dusk
Anti murder/rape/molestation/et al Christian

As much as I like to bash so-called "Christian" zealots, this case could be just a setup. The article never actually says he posessed child porn. It does say the police received a tip that he might posess child porn. At this point, one can guess that the authorities haven't searched his home yet. Stay tuned.

*More Christians threaten traditional family values*

Any logical person would know that just because someone says they are something or say they belong to a group, does not mean it is so.

Just because someone was raised in a Christian/Muslim/agnostic/whatever home doesnt make that person any of those choices.

I highly doubt you truly believe that those who do claim that Jesus is Lord and Savior of their lives would condone any such behaviors you have stated in your post including threatening traditional family values. The post was just statements made to rile people up and cause more controversial conversation.

I am an American Patriot. More than you'll ever know. Now go place another sticker on your car.

As for whether or not he was a Christian, I will have to leave that up to other Christians. He wasn't just a man who claimed to be a Christian. He was a Christain radio host.

He had a radio show to tell other people how to be Christians. I don't support the possession of child pornography by anyone, including Christians with radio shows. It destroys the American Family!


You shouldn't lump all gay people together. That's just not right.

Most child molestation cases are committed by heterosexuals. Most heterosexual are Christian. The numbers don't lie.

So I send a plea out to Christians everywhere who may at this very moment be destroying American Families. Please stop! You don't have to do this.

Maybe we need to start multiple threads citing non-Christian criminal behavior... but wouldn't that be pointless bigoted drivel?

Nice jucy bate here... but there really isn't any point in biting. pfft

*gives Billy a huge hug* Thank you, you just saved me from a rant. *smooch*

It wouldn't be pointless if by doing so at least one Christian learned to stop hurting America.

Awww... *me pounces on Trin & hugz her*

A bad person hiding behind the skirts of a church, of ANY denomination, does not an indictment of the entire organization make.

TY Nolan, I completely agree. This goes for Christians, non-Christians, libs, conservs, gays, straight, black, white, purple, green... whatever. To condem an entire group for the actions of a few idiots is steriotypical bigotry plain & simple.

Neehai, didn't a similar topic just arise about lumping groups together using specific examples? I don't see the point, no offense intended here, but you seem like you're just trying to villify people you don't agree with. And this particular story isn't even confirmed yet...sounds like a case of crucifying someone before the facts are fully known. (Pun intended, he he)

Neehai, I have often respected your opinions, and many times agreed with you.

But I'm going to say this once.

Animals that molest children or murder people are not Christians. They may claim to be, but they are about as Christian as Al Quaida bombers are Muslim.

Please do not spew anti-Christian hate speech in the forums. I find it insulting and degrading.

If you must, I recommend adding "so-called" in front of "Christians" or add quotes around the word "Christian" or make some other effort to distinguish them. Blanketing me and other Christians in with these types of animals is simply hurtful.

It's the Gay Christian Radio Host Pedophile Serial Killers you have to watch out for.

Thank God(TM) someone injected a nice humorous post here.

Priest joke, anyone?

You are asking me to make a judgement call that I am not qualified to make. I don't know what truly makes a person a "Christian". On the same note, I don't know what disqualifies a person as a Christian.

I can only go with the general opinions. As far as I know anyone can become a Christian. Anyone can be "forgiven" at any time as a Christian.

If you are paid to tell other people how to be a Christian that seems good enough for me. I'm not one to strip someone of their faith. At this time I think the Christian thing to do would be to love this man, not eject him from your faith. But maybe I'm wrong. What do I know about being a good Christian?

Love the Sinner. Hate their Clothes!

Christians make up one third of the world's population or some 2 billion people. Anyone who believes they can put two billion people in one box is a dumbass. No exceptions.

Come on, Neehai, that's a cop-out. Surely multiple murderers and rapists don't exactly have "live thy neighbor" in their heart. This isn't some borderline case; this is pretty obvious.


If you're serious about getting theological... the word "sin" literally comes from a meaning of "seperation" - as in seperation from God. A sinner, therefore, by definition, is one who seperates themself from God by their actions. It's a philosophical argument in itself, for sure, and one could argue that literally, anyone who commits any sin is not a Christian until they repent again.

In a strict sense, this is correct; that's a big reason why Catholics are so big into confession and last rites. Protestants are still into confession, but don't require the priest to do so. But, in general, most modern Christian preachers are more concerned with living a genuinely good life and believing in Christ as God.

So the real question, Neehai, is what is the spirit of Christianity? (pardon the pun) Does a person who, in words, repents, but is a horrible person really get forgiven according to the Christian faith? No. Does that mean a murderer or a rapist couldn't have a true change of character and heart and become "good" in the view of the Christian faith? Of course not.

But look at the examples you've given - someone just fresh off a murdering spree, and someone who's been living a lie about his viscious sexual behavior toward children for years... do either seem like they've recently come to any major positive life changes?

No. And there's your answer. Neither one of these guys are remotely Christian and it's insulting to be grouped in with them.


Oh come on. Have you ever heard of the adage, "Do what I say, not what I do?" I'm sure this guy's already been fired, and that should be your answer.


No, it's not about ejecting. It's about saying that clearly he never really was a Christian. Neither are many "Christians" in my opinion, and that's a whole nother can of worms to discuss. Maybe that's your point, but I think my suggestion to quotate or allege or otherwise distinguish these types of crack-heads is an appropriate suggestion to take.

I am not a Christain because I think it is all a bunch of hocus pocus used to control people and extort money. I could be wrong, but my personal beliefs directly affect my ignorance of the nuances of Christianity.

If you are a radio host or a leader in your Church that should be good enough yes? If you run a television ministry asking millions for money and then are caught with a whore are you still a Christian? If you cry on television and are forgiven are you still a Christian? If later you get on television and tell the world that 911 happened because god lifted his protective veil because of the homosexuals, are you still a good Christian?

It's all too confusing for me. These people were generally accepted as Christian before their transgressions and I will have to go with the general consensus that they are Christians. If it makes you uncomfortable to be in their club, perhaps you need a new club.

Either you believe in a religion's beliefs or you don't. The latter half of your explanation, while a valid reason for not liking a particular church or sect, has nothing to do with the christian faith. The prior part, which you could have phrased a little less insensitively, is the valid reason not to follow a religion - because you don't believe it's true.


Absolutely. Maybe you should stop talking about something you claim to be ignorant of. If you'd like to criticize Christianity, you should read the Gospel, perhaps some theological texts, and then you can discuss it.

Your portrayal of Christianity how you see it is very much as bad as people who bash all Muslims for the crazy, cowardly, brainwashed suicide bombers that want nothing but fame and vengeance, or perhaps the stipend that terrorist groups give the families after their death.


Beware of false prophets.


Forget caught with the whore... I think the first part of the sentence is sufficient disqualification, unless you can show that the money's going to help people.


No one can know what's in another's heart or soul, and if it's genuine. That's why the parole boards of corrections systems have so much of a hard time.


That's a pretty definite "no" for a variety of reasons.


Since when is what the general consensus says ever really a good measure of what's true or good? That's why our government is an elected republic - in theory to let more qualified, informed people make day to day decisions.

I think though, when people are faced with good evidence, they do make good judgements. I also think the "christian right" in this country is more like, "christian wrong".


Ah, I see. Neehai, you make a common mistake.

A religion is not a faith. A faith is not a religion. Religion is an organization of people and an establishment of rules regarding faith. There are lots of flavors of Christian Churches, it's not like some all-inclusive club.

Again, please stop classifying all people who believe in the faith as members of a particular sub-sect of a religion.

And if Christians want to talk about homosexuality they should start sucking some cock! Sorry, I don't buy that.


It seems good enough when you want to pass laws against homosexuals in the face of those "activist judges". Or is that a different situation. I'm even more confused now.


Again, I am not qualified to make that judgement. I can only take a declaration of faith and position within that faith into consideration. I do not have time to become a Christian.

If Christians need to be itemized or expelled, I will have to leave that up to you.

So classy...



Period.

Your analogy is crude, insulting, and a fallacy: A person can study Christianity and not practice it, just as a person can study sexual behaviors and not practice them.

I don't need to HAVE a million dollars to know what I'd do with it.


The conservative "right" has an agenda and most Christians, believe it or not, are against it. Christians are democrats, liberals, and moderates, too, Neehai.

Thanks for now classifying all Christians not only as murderers, child-molesters, but now also as right-wing.



I don't have time to become a fascist nazi, but I can know from studying World War II what they are about, and make a sound judgement call to not want to become one.

You, however, are a typical victim of a partisan hack media that seems to have forgotten concepts like, "Moderate" (which most americans classify themselves as) or "impartial" (forget fair and balanced, how about "no opinion at all, and only facts"?).

You hear about the "christian right" because they are the loudest. Period.


Don't get wise-ass with me, Neehai.

Look, you're a liberal. You should understand this. You've labeled me into a stereotype; you've labeled all Christians into a stereotype. That's blatant discrimination. Liberals are for the removal of such thinking, right?

If you'd like a good liberal take on Christianity, I recommend Alan Colmes, John Kerry, or (and although I disagree with a bunch of his politics) Jessie Jackson. These are outspoken liberals who have a clear idea of how Christianity doesn't have to be the right-wing Bible-thumping gay-hating loudmouths that the media portrays them as.

Please don't take your personal hatred for ring-wingers against all Christians. That's as ignorant as taking hate for Osama and making it a vendetta against Muslims.

Continue down this conversation in your tone and I will report it as abuse. You've been warned.

I find Christianity to also be crude, insulting and a fallacy.

I also strongly believe that one cannot adequately study the art of sucking cock without actually doing it.

I've never used the term all Christians. You place words in my mouth. This concerns me because after someone places words in your mouth it is usually shortly followed by their cock.

And the Christains who stand by and allow them to be the loudest while firing homosexuals and passing laws against them are just as bad. I don't see the difference. I think it is great if some Christians choose to absolve themselves. However, I am not Christ so I won't be hanging on a cross or absolving people of responsibility anytime soon. I may choose at some point to turn water into wine, but I haven't decided.

Not all Christians. Please move your cock away from my mouth. I'm not discriminating against anyone. I haven't denied anyone a job because they are Christian. I haven't lobbied to take away rights from people because they are Christian. How about you don't act like a wise-ass to me!

Christians are as Christians do. I don't live in a bubble. You seem quick to cast out any Christian that you feel taint you as a Christian. That is a terribly convenient situation. As such, you can decide and let me know who is a real Christian and who is a false Christian. I'm just calling it like I see it. This isn't about politics at all.


I never said all Christians. That's sensationalistic bullshit. Now please remove your cock from my mouth.


Threaten me all you want Christian. I'm used to it.

I stand behind my words, not the ones you've put into my mouth. Now please remove your cock!

What I take from your post Neehai and the responses to you, is that everyone hates being labelled and are offended by the fact that their group is supposed to have all these shared values, even when they actually don't have much in common.

Too often people lump others into groups like 'gays', 'blacks' etc without thinking and are then are horrified when someone does the same to them, as you have shown.


...or have you just decided to fight hate with hate?