Should LL take legal action against griefers?

Shadow, these seem to be your base assumptions.

The Internet is a virtual world of sorts, too, and you've got to grant that the civil and criminal actions against 'Net crackers is a necessary recourse for hacked website owners, no? And if you grant this, then your whole argument is based on the game assumption.

Again, I think you'll find a lot of people disagree that this is merely a "game", and not something more like, "a platform", just as the Internet is not a game, or a commercial site, but a network where lots of different things can take place. That's another argument to debate, and has been debated, but you can't simply use that as the base to your arguments; it's not a proven / agreed upon fact.

Shadow, it's 2005. It's not beta anymore. Once LL changed the ToS so we would retain full copyright on whatever we created, started charging real money for land, and half-endorsed GOM as a way of us being rewarded for what we produce and getting money to pay them... I'm sorry but this hasn't been "just a game" in a loong time buddy

But it IS just a GAME!!! Its not real!!!

The web isn't "Real" either.

Go see what happens if you screw with Amazon's website.

If amazon created the ability on their website to screw over another customer, that'd be amazon's bad and they'd be liable for the damages.

The ability to screw over (grief) a player in Second Life is given by Linden Labs. They built a whole client that can be used for griefing. It's therefore not illegal to use the client to grief, griefing is a valid use of the secondlife client. Anything the client can do is a valid use. It is up to Linden Labs to remove griefer functionality however they choose to do this, and then if someone hacks into LL's servers and griefs that way (i.e. tamper with the asset server) that's illegal.

Errr. No.

If this were, say, posting giant pictures of bloody anuses or something, yes. That is 'valid', albiet questionable, use of the client.

To take prim-return griefing, however, as an example, this is a deliberate circumvention of the system (IE, the system doesn't allow you to delete another users objects) to accomplish an end that the system does not ordinarily allow you to do.

This is not a "valid use".

omg I thought that was George Washington! The likeness is uncanny!

You know what, I am going to hush before I make a further ass of myself considering I am currently on Medication after being violently ill last week.

My thoughts are splintering into a million different thoughts at once. I'd rather reply when I can be more coherent in my explinations.

Just know there is underlying reasoning as to why I totaly disagree with this but I am at work and do not have the time currently to put them together in a manifesto of why this Idea is so wrong in its inception within a virtual environment.

Sincerely, Shadow

NP, dude. You're not making an ass of yourself... and when you have your thoughts collected, share.

We're here to all come up with a better plan to stop griefers.

The "system" does allow me to delete another user's objects by deleting them on my "land" or by filling up their "land" with my prims. I think you are confusing the intended behavior of the system with the actual behavior.

Why are so many hell bent on criminalizing in-game conduct? I could be sitting near you in a coffee joint, grab your phone while you are getting a newspaper and call Peoria. That is a real theft of service but what are you going to do?

1. attempt to have me jailed
   
2. ask your cellular provider for a refund
   
3. wipe my ear cooties off your phone and ignore it
   

And why are we beating this dead horse when we could be arguing whether alts should be drawn and quartered?

Malachi, if a cracker finds a loophole (or exploit) in a system, and uses it to gain access (say, to Amazons website)... how is that different?

The point about the prims is- You arn't "allowed" to, although you physically CAN.

anyone thought that the Lindens are prolly working on one too (if they don't already have one) and it's probably better? plus hey, they're the Lindens. their plans get priority.

it's nice to make suggestions and all but how much did that influence the changes to ratings and bonuses? or anything else that's been changed? perspective people...... perspective.......

and no that doesn't mean throw our hands up and do nothing. just means perspective..........