John Titor

Weird, eh?

Google "John Titor" for more info, chat about it here.

He is looking for the missing prim for his time machine! .. j/k I think it is just a coincidence hehe

Well, here's one major loophole in his story: He said he wanted to bring a 1970s UNIX computer to his time because of a bug concerning the amount of seconds a UNIX machine can handle, etc... But by 2038 or whatever, wouldn't you expect to have photonic computing? I mean, that's expected at 2020 at latest! UNIX would be a thing of the past by then. And we knew that was coming anyway, even today. UNIX machines would have been patched even if photonic computing hadn't taken over yet.

Anyway, his machine wouldn't work because matter traveling through a blackhole doesn't work. He meant wormhole... but wouldn't a time traveller know that? Well, yes, he would.

Darwin, read *all* the stuff, mainly on JohnTitor.com. He is merely a soldier that was chosen to time travel, and he doesn't really know how it all works. Not sure if I should believe it or not, but, we'll see in the future!

wow... umm.. wow..... its a really good read. ive yet to finish reading it, but entertaining so far.

Would anyone be so kind as to point me to some of these "predictions that have come true"? Thanks!

I always thought it was odd that If they could build a time machine why can't they build super computers that overcome the UNIX problem? Maybe they are just bored though and want to play around with an old computer?

I dunno, I'm doubtfull about it all, but it could happen, he gave himself an out though, people could always say "Oh well it didn't happen in OUR time line but it did in his." and all that stuff.

Also theres a video around that looks kinda hokey, and his story is a little weird, I dunno.

Hehe, I'll play devil's advocate a little here. Or maybe time traveller's advocate.

1) He's potentially a dumbass, just a "common folk" using high technology (lol) so some things that don't seem to make sense *could* possibly be attributed to simple ignorance. (Of course, I *could* be a alien from Mars, here to spy on you stupid Earthlings who keep flinging METAL CRAP AT OUR PLANET!!!!! LEAVE US ALONE FOOLS!!!!!)

So with reguard with bringing a UNIX machine to the future, maybe he's just not "techie" enough to know that it's silly. I bet he's gonna feel stupid in 2036 when he comes back with an outdated piece of junk and someone tells him "haha, idiot, a computer like that will never work because there's still too much radiation around!"

2) There was a nuclear war in 2015...even by 2036 I think it's safe to say that nobody's going to be mass producing supercomputers like on Star Trek. Except maybe people like the government who can apparently build time machines and dish them out to common soldiers, heh. (the time machine is "government-issued" or whatever) Maybe he stole it.

3) This is funny. And entertaining! heh...
Maybe the Patriot Act is the beginning of the police state...wasn't there another "act" that someone tried to get passed that was even worse, that didn't get through? Darn, I forget the name....I think it even has something to do with other countries...what was it....starts with an M?

wow that was random

Oh, but if a civil war does happen, I hope it starts soon because I'd like to join the Air Force before I'm too old, and be on the winning side.

Well, according to John Titor, the US forces didn't win... in fact, they were nuked by russia.

LF

I'll get stationed in Hawaii or...hmm. Who'd be stupid enough to nuke Hawaii? Well Iraq might be safer rofl.

Uhoh, the exact area I live in is a secondary nuclear target. Doh!

Actually I read a little more of that crazy site, I may have thought of some problems with his story but I'll have to post it later. Gotta go soon..

*wet blanket rant

Time Travel seems to be a very romantic Sci-Fi dream to me. I dont see how it could ever be pulled off, the past is just that. Once it slips away, no way to go back. Alternate realities of what could have or would have been is just creative musings. The fact that things do or do not happen create our reality and history. Too many impossible complications to time travel (beyond the fact that it is impossible) to accept it. Any time travel movies I have seen have been severely flawed in any realism of the event actually been able to be accomplished.

Anyone can make predictions, some based on logical assumptions may have a greater opportunity to unfold.

This guy, as described here, sort of a dullard soldier, has far too many references to things in *our* past to attempt to explain and prove points. I doubt he is really that much of a geeky history buff based on his other writing. Pretty fanciful stuff to me. Entertaining to a point, but I cant get behind him.

I am a skeptic. I dont feel time travel is possible. Now, or ever, via wormholes or black holes or whatever. You can use your time now, but you cant manipulate it once it is gone.

*rant over. please continue.

I read the whole thing, and I have to say it's a fascinating story. He does make some interesting points, and his 'predictions' really aren't that far-fetched.

I can't comment on this time-machine, I count with my fingers and toes, but aside from technical stuff that's over my head, his story is pretty solid.

The second cival war? Frankly, I can see it happening more or less like he said. Already we're seeing the federal government attempting to gain the power to arrest and hold citizens without due process or cival liberties by labeling them 'enemy combatants'. Already we've seen presidential elections turned into circuses to manipulate the outcome.

For myself, it''s not too difficult to imagine a time where the breakdown of liberties in the name of security, nor is it hard to imagine what would happen if a truly deep schism developed the electoral process broke down even further into dozens of law suits to determine who's president. Would it be so difficult to imagine what would happen if local and state goverments simply refused to accept such a manipulatted election outcome?

The scenario of WWIII? If we allow the possibily of US cival war, yes, I fully believe the rest of the world would just go apesh*t. Without the fear of retribution from a powerful US, yes the middle east would erupt. A thousand petty warlords and dozens of countries would suddenly be able to act how they want without us looking over their shoulder. I don't think any rational person would say the world would keep going swimmingly if the US broke.

The bit about the IBM 5100? I don't know diddly about computers really, except to know what video and sound cards to upgrade to. I find his story acceptable though. A world ravaged by both internal and external war, with nuclear, biological and chemical bombardment leaving the world teetering on extinction, perhaps scavenging old tech is important. Perhaps an easy quick way to recover data after a nuclear war is worth a time trip?

Lastly, time travel. From a science stand-point, how the hell would I knwo if it would work as he described? On the other hand, how would -any- of us know if it would work as he described? I think it's safe to say that no one can honestly say that 30 years from now there will be no breakthrough that allows time travel. So, since it's impossible to say it's categorically impossible, we have to consider the probability. Is it probable? Doubt it. Is it possible? Don't see why not. One thing that I do think is that it's quite possible that the 'science' of time-travel may very well be a lot easier than the movies make it seem. Sure, we hear time travel and of course we envision a big budget movie set type place, all gleaming and star trekkie with huge bolts of lightning, weird sounds, strange visual effects, universe destroying pradoxes and maybe a few hunchbacks waddling about saying 'Yes Master!".

Who's to say if time travel does get invented, the actual reality of it wouldn't be a lot more pedestrian and less dramatic than the movies tell us?

Do I beleve the story of John Titor? No. But my reasons deal more with reservations than with denial, and less with trying to poke holes in his story than the probabilities of it being real.

Bottom line, it makes for a very cautionary tale with a surprisingly valid warning of things that we very well may see happen.

great post Jellin!

yesterday, i read a bit more on the site, and i also poked around a few other sites. in one of them, someone mentions that they couldnt find anything about john titor prior to may 2003. i dont know how true that is, but....

let's just say someone wants to attempt a 'war of the worlds' type media hoax. you create several sites, spend weeks building a convincing looking/sounding message board. you sprinkle vague hints at current (2003) events, while not calling anything out in specific, and finally you setup several referring sites. you do all of this and push it out in may of 2003. and, voila! there you have it.

could it be?

i have no idea. but, in my mind, thats as much a possibility as it being true. (i have *not* finished reading the entire site, so if any of these were covered, let me know!)

there are things that make me believe it to *not* be true:
- interior of the 'vette (blue velour seats??)
- why would the gov't not just call up IBM and have them pull out the old schematics and build a new one?
- why would he sell the corvette? surely, any gov't would not allow such a thing.
- where is the corvette? if a 'vette enthusiast bought it (hell, even a non-vette enthusiast), surely some pictures or some kind of chatter would've made it to the 'net by now.
- where is the video tape? again, for such an important tape, you would've thought the owner would make several backup copies kept in separate locales, no?

anyway... it's not that i believe it is impossible, i do have an open mind, but the goods aren't there.
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If there was a nuke attack on america even if you just hit a few locations wouldn't everyone eventualy die from fallout?

Also, would IBM still be around to make another UNIX machine if asked? Maybe the company was whiped. Although CG & E still survived somehow.

He sold his old car in the past to buy a newer car for our time which he then took back with him to the future, so there would be no selling of any cars that would cause attention. My question is, why didn't he buy a delorian? (Probly not good enough suspension on a serious note, lol)

I'm a little dissapointed no one asked where the Flux Copasitor (sp) is on any of his posts.

Some links first one with video:

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/steve.html

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/irc.html

http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=9

That forum one is constantly updated, ignore the "Proof" thread as it turns out to be a website for surfing in the end ("Proof Boards".

Dude, america is friggin huge
That's like saying we here in portugal would die from the fallout of a nuclear strike on russia.

I don't see this happening. The first civil war happened because the federal army of the time was weak; it depended on the state militias to provide the men for any sustained conflict. As a result, when the South seceeded, they had the organization in place to raise an army in a hurry. Nowadays, the federal army is much stronger. I expect that the state militias (now known as the National Guard) combined are a match for it, but I can't see them acting together against the federal government.

The only way we could get a civil war is a schism within the federal army. History shows this requires that two or more of the commanders of the army are competing for control of the country, a situation that can't happen in the current United States.


When looking at the future, I find it much more useful to look at what happened in the Greek and Roman empires. Both of them started out with representative forms of government, and both eventually turned into a dictatorship of some sort. I expect the same will happen to the US, but not for some time yet.

Sorry....don't buy it. Great story....and a good hoax. But come on.....
Shortly in the future, the US military forces are going to allow personnel to journey back in time, and not cover themselves?
Paradox's? Slightest thing can affect every other thing. If "Titor" had indeed travelled back, then this is fact in HIS time, and I'm sure that the powers that be would have made damned sure that it was prevented.
Video gone missing......awwww...what a shame.
Remember the Saskwatch film........everyone WANTED to believe that one too.......
I truly believe that in a couple of years time, after the legend of (an admittedly well put together) "future time traveller" has become the stuff of legend, we will be able to go along to the nearest Warner widescreen to see the movie version of the "Net's First great Hoax!!"
Good read tho.
(PS..... Elvis IS alive.......Titor took him back to the future with him.......gotta love those rhythm and blues!)
My opinion only.....

Whoa, wouldn't it be cool if JT took someone like Elvis or Einstein to the present time???

Heh... it's definitely entertaining, you can't deny that. Maybe I'll try emailing my favorite Physicist (Michio Kaku, kind of a modern day Carl Sagan for physics) to see if the time-machine described has a chance in hell of working. lol

Juro,

It also occured to me that this whole thing could have been whipped up recently, but I'm not sure. If you want to do some (lol) time travel research, look for some old Art Bell radio show fans...they'd probably know if this story was out before 2003.

Anyway, Art Bell used to have a crazy (popular) radio show on at night (nationwide coverage I believe). His show was about crazy stuff like this, aliens, etc. Just as entertaining...mostly hilarious, but fun. There might still be one on late at night, run by a different guy. (In fact the way I found out about Michio Kaku was through that show....Michio was probably about the only "normal" guest he ever had roflmao.)

The fans of that show (and there were MANY), I would imagine, would be asking the same question you just raised, right? But I have yet to see that argument anywhere on those websites...maybe it IS well documented?

I forgot to mention the one thing that I have a hard time with.

OK, yeah, aside from time-travel and all that.

The thing that bothers me most about his scenario is why would Russia go nuts and nuke everybody? If China and Russia went at it, ok, that would be unhealthy, but I have a hard time believing they'd nuke us just for the halibut. It's not like we'd side with China after all.

My current theory is movie promo. They like to get pretty elaborate in their setups sometimes, and for something to sprout up so recently about stuff happening in the past 3-4 years ....

Another movie promo page along similar lines:
http://www.irobotnow.com/index.php

<shrug> I think its a PR stunt of somekind.

Here's another problem maybe--

He took a computer with him to the future, right? Well the thing isn't mainframe sized but it's no laptop either...it's pretty big. How come that computer isn't even shown in the video?

Vixen, I don't believe it either, but I have to say, I don't think you really read it. I say that because of the reasons you've given for not believing it.

According to him, there is no US as we know it. The entire governemnt was done away with and rebuilt using basically the same constitution.

Of course the military would allow personel to time travel if they sent that person on a mission of traveling through time.

He explains that he travels through timelines rather than a linear trip through his time line. Suspiciously like the TV show Sliders with time thrown in.

No, I don't beleive it either, but my reasons are considered. I took the time to read it through and form an opinion. I'm sorry, but it bothers me that people sometimes ridicule and reject an idea when they very obviously haven't given it enough consideration to give it more than a cursory glance. Just enough information to construct a scathing and sarcastic rejection.

Sometimes I just have to speak out. You shouldn't simply reject an idea because you automatically don't like it. No, I certainly don't think we have to sit and consider the words of every screaming maniac out there (and this perhaps touches on some other recently hot threads) but if someone is going out of there way to present an idea in an open way with cival discussion, it's pretty poor form to dismiss it without even knowing what it is you;re dismissing.

rofl...wonder what that is referring to?

hehe...anyway,

Based on what I read (but maybe I read it wrong), there was some kind of umm, "divergence?" factor. Something about not being able to have a "zero" divergence or whatever, I don't know this time machine physics terminology. But it sounded like... if you travel back in time, you've changed timelines (for good?) You're free to make changes of course, but any changes you make will have no effect on your original timeline. Or something.

Even though that makes hardly any sense...the point is, why even bother sending someone back in time to "get" something if they could never really return? Sounds like he can return to his own time, but it would only be of benefit to him and the "new" timeline. The old timeline he came from would just be minus one John Titor, minus one "time machine", and won't ever see that IBM computer. This also implies that time travel is possible, but since you can't stay in your "timeline" when you make a jump, you can't really make any changes that you will be able to witness (unless you stay in the timeline of course).

Um right?

True Eggy, but it said multiple targets were hit, and the fallout spreads for quite some length, and depending on how the air streams are going that current day, alot of random factors but your end result I think would be a pretty small population, if any. But of course I'm no scientist so I'm probly wrong.

And Garoad thats what I was thinking also, what Titor stated was that the farther you go back the more there is a divergence, so going back an hour there would be little to no divergence, but going back 70-100 years there would be much divergence. Also once you time travel (according to Titor) you create a whole new dimension, meaning even if you would travel back an hour you would be making a new dimension, I think, unless it doesn't make a new dimension unless you go back too far... but I don't think thats what he was getting at, so anyway, if you went back to any point or forward I don't think you would ever get back to "your" reality/dimension/time line. It might not be very different, but it wouldn't be "yours". But, would "your" dimension then have a John Titor come back from a different dimension? Saying John Titor A leaves time Line A and comes back to C while John Titor D leaves time line D and comes back to A.

I don't fully belive it, anything could be true, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was all fake. But it still raises interisting discussion

Would I see John Titor The Movie? Depends on how good it looks.

That Butterfly Effect movie looks interisting, Ashton Cucher(sp) in a serious roll... hmm... he doesn't look bad from the previews (bad acting that is).

btw Ama, wtf is that website? Is it for a movie? If so wha?

irobotnow.com is a promo site for a new movie, "I, Robot". At first I thought it was real, and they were really selling robots...grr