War is f-ed up

Don't get me wrong... I feel for the men and women who are running around Iraq, and living a living nightmare. I'd be crapping my pants if I was in that situation.

But the troops, or the commanders, or somebody has to get these guys doing it right.

First we have Abu Ghraib, and now we have a Marine blowing the head off of an unarmed guy who's already half dead... right in front of the TV cameras too.

A lot of the problems over there are the perception that the Arab world has of the US, and when this stuff gets on Al-Jazeera, it only gets worse.

I don't know who to be pissed off at, but its all f-ed up.

- Ace

Bush.

Exactly!

Amen to that

The decadent west put up their reaction to the events this weekend, I'd have to agree with them:
http://thedecadentwest.blogspot.com/

Human beings are fucked up...and as long as we exist the world will be fucked up.

Sometimes , somethings , best go left unsaid (or televised)

Why? So it could be swept under the rug?

That "unarmed civilian" deserved more than a bullet in his head.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138723,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/16/iraq.hassan/index.html

His associates just killed Hassan, the aid worker who's lived in Iraq for decades and dedicated her life to bringing food and medicine to the Iraqi people.

Time to pull our troops out -- se we can unleash the nukes.

Have you ever been IN a war ?? Don't get me started.

Supposedly the man who made the shot heard around the sands was shot in the face the day before. War is not pretty. We cannot hate the men and women fighting only the man who started the fight. We put our men and women in a situation where war was not necessary, they feel the world hates them but they are pumped for battle. Bush turned the military into a cornered cat with the majority of the world against them. He threw them into an impossible, open ended war. If you were shot at every day for a year...well when given the chance you may want to put that final bullet in. It goes back to the old "if it were your mom's head in the freezer, would you want the death penalty" question. None of us know unless we are there. I disagree with this war's premise. The president was wrong. But the soldiers are doing the only thing they have been trained to do.

The only thing that really burns me up about this whole shooting nonsense is that sumbitch Kevin Sites of NBC News. This guy travelled with these troops, watched them fight and get killed/wounded, enjoyed their protection as he gathered his stories, then at the first instance he saw to cash in on "WAR ATROCITIES", the schmuck tries to rat out the same soldiers he's been pal-ing around with...where was his report on the torture rooms the soldiers found this weekend? What about Hassan? What about the other marine that was blown up not more than one mile away and one minute earlier by an insurgent feigning death? I hate the war in Iraq, and we need to bail now....but for this asshat to turn on the those soldiers at the fist chance to make his own name....whatta gonad.

I don't see anything about the "unarmed civilian" in either of the above articles.
I'm saddend by this as well, but meaningless conflation of all Iraqis into the same group is repulsive. I'm sure Hassan wouldn't have agreed with your verdict.

No Nukes, Brother!
You can't hug your children with Nuclear Arms!

Seriously, though I agree that the insurgents are the most dispicable elements of humanity on earth, one has to remember that they are a small minority of the muslim world. To want to nuke them all would be akin to a Democrat wanting to nuke California because there are a few Republicans there (including a Governator). Making a huge sea of glass will never stop terrorism, cutting the funds that are reaching them will. As long as we are sending billions over there for oil, terrorism will always find a sponsor.

THANK YOU!

No, Lecktor, I haven't. I don't see the relevance to your earlier point though. What does me not having been in a war have to do with not televising what is happening?

The relevance was meant to point to your original reply. You would be amazed at the happenings that aren't reported by the 'embedded' reporters. I wish the DOD had learned their lesson about media on the battlefield with Somalia and the Gulf War. There is so much more going on than the sound/video bite at 6. I certainly don't condone a coup de grace at all but, I will tell you there is a hell of alot more going on here than what this reporter decided to tell. And the young marine had spent the last 2 weeks going through intense emotional turmoil and danger, and just the day before had been shot in the face himself. All I ask is we don't crucify him for performing what he and his comrades see as an undeniable duty. Let the whole story come out if it must and sleep better at night knowing that they aren't showing or reporting everything.
Peace

It has to be televised...maybe if it were televised before the election people would see what a grave mistake the pres made. We need to see the attrocity in order to get pissed enough to stop it. Our president sent boys and girls over seas to do something that he has never been party to. He needs to see the mangled children, the headless soldiers, the flag draped coffins and so do we. We need to know that war is a horrid thing, it is vile, it is cruel and it is a last resort. That man who's sweaty angry finger pulled the trigger will have to live with that image replaying in his head every night...why shouldn't we. More than 1/2 of America voted for our soldiers to remain overseas now they get a glimpse into what that means and we are all horrified...how dare they show that...because it is necessary to bring an end to the tyranny. To stop the open ended war.

I agree, and I made no reference to any sort of judgement against him. The military will figure it all out and punish him accordingly.. or not.

Ok then on that note let's show all of the damned head chopping videos so the deserving public can see the other side of the story. The atrocity of terrorist cutting the heads off of basically innocent people. How come they haven't chopped off a soldier's head yet ?

You can see it: www.ogrish.com

Be warned, watching someone getting thier head cut off is a horribly painful reminder of how f*cked up humans can be.



Because we fight under a set of rules... these people are not a governing body and are not playing under those rules.. hence: terrorists.

Exactly my point intended Juro. I have seen the videos. I was making a point that the media do not show those but will show a reporter kneeling next to a dead 'innocent' 'insurgent' in a pool of blood.

I say we should...no one's hands are untainted in this war. As I said innocents have died and in my mind our soldiers are among the innocent. There are two sides and the insurgents (not terrorists) have commited crimes against humanity. But, I still believe that the civilian public needs to see that war is not a game. It is a real, blood soaked, nasty battle. Both sides believe they are right. Unfortunately the American Soldiers, by trade, were forced into a battle which was started for no reason. Those fighting on the other side are fighting out of passion and are far more willing to commit attrocities. The average Joe american is much more likely to support a preemptive war if he/she has never served or doesn't realize the outcome and the effect that it has on so many for so long a time.

More than half of the people didnt vote. More than half of the people that did vote didn't cast their vote for our soldiers to remain overseas. If Kerry had won then the same blanket statement you would have to make because he wouldn't have pulled the troops out in less than 2 years.

No he would not have been able to snap his fingers and stop the war but the likelyhood that he would have continued with preemptive strikes of this nature is far less than it is with the current administration. And half of America did vote...those who did not vote either couldn't due to age or other legal factors or made a decision by not voting which is a decision.