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Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 10,231

01-21-2005 08:31

From: Jessica Robertson

<rant>
I don't know why some people are getting upset about students coming here and asking questions saying, "I am human, treat me as such!" I have yet to see any of the students (identified by the last name of Radiks) treat anyone inhumanely or indecently.

They are asking questions, learning about the community, finding out what 'virtual worlds' are and what they aren't, and then reporting that information in a term paper. Muchlike what someone who writes a blog or a journalist would do, except they are doing it for a grade and not money / fame / <insert personal reason here>.

I couldn't agree more Jessica

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Olympia Rebus

Muse of Chaos

Join date: 22 Feb 2004

Posts: 1,831

01-21-2005 08:53

From: Chip Midnight

For me it's just another part of my real life, sort of like an extra room in my house where I can fly

Good metaphor.

SL always reminded me of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
, except my portal to the bonus world is a computer instead of a wardrobe.

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Korg Stygian

Curmudgeon Extraordinaire

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,105

01-21-2005 09:25

I come to escape from elitist academic environments. Unfortunately, the "virus" seems to have found its way to "this host" and infected it.

Jessica Robertson

Registered User

Join date: 3 Dec 2004

Posts: 412

01-21-2005 09:44

Spat, feel free to ignore Klorg, he is about as open minded as a tenured professor. *laughs*

Jessica

Vestalia Hadlee

Second Life Resident

Join date: 19 Oct 2004

Posts: 296

01-21-2005 09:50

From: Spat Radiks

Is Second Life a means of escape from real life for you?

I don't make too many distinctions between SL and so-called "Real Life". For me, SL is just another place, another situation where together with other places and situations, I conduct My Life.
One might just as well ask me if I use a telephone, a school, a job, or a kitchen to escape from real life.

StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

is escape bad?

01-21-2005 11:34

From: katykiwi Moonflower

Secondlife is not an escape. It's creative expression.

if at the end of a long day i get into the hot tub and soak and ignore the rest of my life, i would consider that an escape.

if i have a horrible life, and i continually drink myself into a stupor, i would consider than an escape.

if i work hard, and on the weekends i spend hours absorbed in a project in my garage to the exclusion of all else, i would consider that an escape.

the problem with framing the question as escape is that it often brings with it a negative connotation.

the other problem is that in the vagueness of the question, they is a presumed boundary or break between what happens online and offline.

for a communications class, i would think that both problem need a little clarification.

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Korg Stygian

Curmudgeon Extraordinaire

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,105

01-21-2005 11:53

From: Jessica Robertson

snip...

/me tunrs around and walks away from the stench of you post's breath.

StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

01-21-2005 11:59

From: Korg Stygian

I come to escape from elitist academic environments. Unfortunately, the "virus" seems to have found its way to "this host" and infected it.

muahahahahaha

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StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

01-21-2005 12:04

From: Eggy Lippmann

Would you assume that people who prefer to communicate via telephone are somehow disabled IRL, or have any degree of difference from normal people?

but on the other hand, just because not everyone is limited physically, doesn't mean that some aren't. in fact there is a group (/120/3c/28713/1.html) that uses sl in a way that could be considered to escape one's physical limitations.

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Jessica Robertson

Registered User

Join date: 3 Dec 2004

Posts: 412

01-21-2005 12:08

*smiles* Have a wonderful day Klorg!

Jess

Rose Karuna

Lizard Doctor

Join date: 5 Jun 2004

Posts: 3,772

01-21-2005 12:37

From: pandastrong Fairplay

I always thought that that was college?

ROTFLMAO - Yeah it certaintly was for me.

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Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

01-21-2005 13:07

From: Charlotte Gillespie

I'm afraid I've had just about enough of these questions from "Radiks". I'm not some kind of strange subject, here to be analysed and questioned and interviewed and watched and photographed for a scientific or anthropological study at whatever rubbish uni they're from. I'm a person, and I'm sick of this.

Sorry - that's just how it is!

Charlotte, the answer here is simple. Don't answer any of the questions, and your safe. Sigh, gotta stop thinking like a Brit. We ALL now how THEY are.

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Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

01-21-2005 13:10

From: katykiwi Moonflower

Why see SL as an escape from reality when for many it supplements reality; it's an enhancement.

The wheelchair bound member who can fly and dance in SL is adding to her life, not escaping.

The escape premise contains an incorrect assumption that SL is merely a social environment. Look around at all the very gifted creative builders, scripters, animators and musicians adding content to SL every day. They are successfully blending their creativity with computer technology, a transition which is vital for maintaining creativity as we become more and more immersed into the world of technology.

Is there a difference when I spend my time painting with oils on canvas, than when I spend my time creating a texture in photoshop to use in SL? No the creative process flows. The medium is what is changed.

Secondlife is not an escape. It's creative expression.

Sorry Katy, bit I AM escaping RL by coming into SL. In RL I am just a fat virgin loser. In SL I am a lovable cherub minor-hunting troll.

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Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

01-21-2005 16:53

I sometimes go to RL to escape SL.

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Spat Radiks

Registered User

Join date: 6 Jan 2005

Posts: 9

01-23-2005 17:25

From: Eggy Lippmann

I will answer your question with more questions:
Is a phone an escape from reality?
Is a TV?
Is a book?

Yes, I think so.

My paper is finished but I still find this question fascinating.
And if you think a discussion is psychoanalyzation, get off the freaking boards.

I go into a completely different world every time I open a book, or work on a painting, or chat on IM.

The way I see it, RL is what is immediately surrounding me. Right now, my RL is a computer lab in my school's library. In a few minutes, my RL will be my car.

Even though I am sitting here typing and communicating with yall in RL, the idea of the message board is an abstraction, much like a painting or a book. In RL am communicating with a keyboard, and nothing more. In this abstraction that is the message board, I am communicating with real people.

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Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	01-21-2005 08:31 From: Jessica Robertson <rant> I don't know why some people are getting upset about students coming here and asking questions saying, "I am human, treat me as such!" I have yet to see any of the students (identified by the last name of Radiks) treat anyone inhumanely or indecently. They are asking questions, learning about the community, finding out what 'virtual worlds' are and what they aren't, and then reporting that information in a term paper. Muchlike what someone who writes a blog or a journalist would do, except they are doing it for a grade and not money / fame / <insert personal reason here>. I couldn't agree more Jessica _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Olympia Rebus Muse of Chaos Join date: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 1,831	01-21-2005 08:53 From: Chip Midnight For me it's just another part of my real life, sort of like an extra room in my house where I can fly Good metaphor. SL always reminded me of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe , except my portal to the bonus world is a computer instead of a wardrobe. _____________________
Korg Stygian Curmudgeon Extraordinaire Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,105	01-21-2005 09:25 I come to escape from elitist academic environments. Unfortunately, the "virus" seems to have found its way to "this host" and infected it.
Jessica Robertson Registered User Join date: 3 Dec 2004 Posts: 412	01-21-2005 09:44 Spat, feel free to ignore Klorg, he is about as open minded as a tenured professor. laughs Jessica
Vestalia Hadlee Second Life Resident Join date: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 296	01-21-2005 09:50 From: Spat Radiks Is Second Life a means of escape from real life for you? I don't make too many distinctions between SL and so-called "Real Life". For me, SL is just another place, another situation where together with other places and situations, I conduct My Life. One might just as well ask me if I use a telephone, a school, a job, or a kitchen to escape from real life.
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	is escape bad? 01-21-2005 11:34 From: katykiwi Moonflower Secondlife is not an escape. It's creative expression. if at the end of a long day i get into the hot tub and soak and ignore the rest of my life, i would consider that an escape. if i have a horrible life, and i continually drink myself into a stupor, i would consider than an escape. if i work hard, and on the weekends i spend hours absorbed in a project in my garage to the exclusion of all else, i would consider that an escape. the problem with framing the question as escape is that it often brings with it a negative connotation. the other problem is that in the vagueness of the question, they is a presumed boundary or break between what happens online and offline. for a communications class, i would think that both problem need a little clarification. _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Korg Stygian Curmudgeon Extraordinaire Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,105	01-21-2005 11:53 From: Jessica Robertson snip... /me tunrs around and walks away from the stench of you post's breath.
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	01-21-2005 11:59 From: Korg Stygian I come to escape from elitist academic environments. Unfortunately, the "virus" seems to have found its way to "this host" and infected it. muahahahahaha _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	01-21-2005 12:04 From: Eggy Lippmann Would you assume that people who prefer to communicate via telephone are somehow disabled IRL, or have any degree of difference from normal people? but on the other hand, just because not everyone is limited physically, doesn't mean that some aren't. in fact there is a group (/120/3c/28713/1.html) that uses sl in a way that could be considered to escape one's physical limitations. _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Jessica Robertson Registered User Join date: 3 Dec 2004 Posts: 412	01-21-2005 12:08 smiles Have a wonderful day Klorg! Jess
Rose Karuna Lizard Doctor Join date: 5 Jun 2004 Posts: 3,772	01-21-2005 12:37 From: pandastrong Fairplay I always thought that that was college? ROTFLMAO - Yeah it certaintly was for me. _____________________ I Do Whatever My Rice Krispies Tell Me To
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-21-2005 13:07 From: Charlotte Gillespie I'm afraid I've had just about enough of these questions from "Radiks". I'm not some kind of strange subject, here to be analysed and questioned and interviewed and watched and photographed for a scientific or anthropological study at whatever rubbish uni they're from. I'm a person, and I'm sick of this. Sorry - that's just how it is! Charlotte, the answer here is simple. Don't answer any of the questions, and your safe. Sigh, gotta stop thinking like a Brit. We ALL now how THEY are. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-21-2005 13:10 From: katykiwi Moonflower Why see SL as an escape from reality when for many it supplements reality; it's an enhancement. The wheelchair bound member who can fly and dance in SL is adding to her life, not escaping. The escape premise contains an incorrect assumption that SL is merely a social environment. Look around at all the very gifted creative builders, scripters, animators and musicians adding content to SL every day. They are successfully blending their creativity with computer technology, a transition which is vital for maintaining creativity as we become more and more immersed into the world of technology. Is there a difference when I spend my time painting with oils on canvas, than when I spend my time creating a texture in photoshop to use in SL? No the creative process flows. The medium is what is changed. Secondlife is not an escape. It's creative expression. Sorry Katy, bit I AM escaping RL by coming into SL. In RL I am just a fat virgin loser. In SL I am a lovable cherub minor-hunting troll. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	01-21-2005 16:53 I sometimes go to RL to escape SL. _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
Spat Radiks Registered User Join date: 6 Jan 2005 Posts: 9	01-23-2005 17:25 From: Eggy Lippmann I will answer your question with more questions: Is a phone an escape from reality? Is a TV? Is a book? Yes, I think so. My paper is finished but I still find this question fascinating. And if you think a discussion is psychoanalyzation, get off the freaking boards. I go into a completely different world every time I open a book, or work on a painting, or chat on IM. The way I see it, RL is what is immediately surrounding me. Right now, my RL is a computer lab in my school's library. In a few minutes, my RL will be my car. Even though I am sitting here typing and communicating with yall in RL, the idea of the message board is an abstraction, much like a painting or a book. In RL am communicating with a keyboard, and nothing more. In this abstraction that is the message board, I am communicating with real people.

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