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ONE oil company made $100 BILLION last year as our gas prices skyrocketed.

Chance Abattoir
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10-28-2005 16:14
From: Alexa Hope
As a comparison with the UK, we pay nearly 1 pound a litre, about 85 percent of which is tax.

Alexa


I bet a pound of fat would make a litre of fuel. :)
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10-29-2005 10:32
From: Chance Abattoir
I bet a pound of fat would make a litre of fuel. :)



Dibs on Bertha Horton!

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David Valentino
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10-29-2005 11:54
Almost every oil company made "breathtaking" profits this year. Why is that, if there were shortages in supplies due to conflicts in the middle east?

It's the same old story over and over again. They make up reasons (shortages) to hike up the gas prices purely out of greed, and since we are so dependent upon fossil fuels, we pay for it. It's one of the reasons we are in Iraq. It's all greed.

It is disgusting. I drive as little as possible these days, and am hoping that some President, some day, gets out from under the oil companies and really goes after alternate fuel sourses.

Drilling in the wilderness of Alaska, or anywhere else, won't make a damn bit of difference to gas prices. It will simply destroy an already endangered and fragile environment. It's been said by many, many experts. It's simply another way to give breaks and concessions to the oil companies so that they can make even more profits.
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10-29-2005 14:06
From: Champie Jack
I'm surprised there aren't any Canadians or Europeans telling the Americans to shut their whining holes. They pay as much as twice what we pay for gas. So, what is the difference?



In the UK we're paying about 90p to £1.10 for a liter of petrol.

The current conversion rate for GBP to USD is £1 to $2 (big drop in the dollar last week for some reason)

so that's $2.20 basically for a liter of fuel

You guys pay by the gallon though and there's 0.26 gallons in a liter

So when you buy your gallon you're getting 3.78 liters

3.78 Liters = £4.15

So a direct conversion means you'd be paying about $8.30 for a gallon of british fuel

Now moan :D
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10-29-2005 21:24
Know what pisses me off the most?

Those retarded commercials where BP gloats about how they're doing things for the environment.

Oh, gee, and it only took ridiculous price gouging for you to effing care about not destroying the planet with carbon monoxide, oil spills, and sulfer dioxide from refining? Shod off, BP.
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10-29-2005 22:52
From: Aaron Levy
Today's news of Exxon making $99.8 BILLION last year has me so pissed off I can't see straight. I know most oil companies are crooked or at least have some crooked people in them, but that can be said of any company.

But the fact that our gas prices skyrocketed this past yeard and the oil companies boo-hooed and say, "Oh we don't want to raise prices..." yadda yadda bull shit.

I hope America wakes up and sticks it to the oil companies by sinking their dollars into electric cars and other non-oil using alternatives. God knows if I could, I would get rid of both cars my family owns and starting using a buggy like the Amish who live around me. I'm so pissed off... $99.8 BILLION PROFIT!!!! ***PROFIT!!!!***

If a Democrat comes forward with a solid plan to end the U.S. dependence on OIL, foreign or domestic, I'll vote for him. And that's coming from a die-hard 30-year red-state conservative Republican. I'm sick of it.


Chill out dude. Thats what we're in Iraq for. Cheap gas. Let Bush do his magic. After these woefully inept terrorists are wiped out, we can start to steal...errr... purchase their oil.

So relax, grab a Starbucks Frappacino, and fill up your SUV.
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10-29-2005 23:10
i do love the comparison-EU pricing, as it really can pop the u.s. thought-bubble pretty quickly... :) i must posit some differences though to consider; not like this solves anything - complicates things really, but they are some thoughts that are simply new bases to stand upon while thinking about how to solve each of them in the future...

1) we gotta much bigger country, with comparatively much less useful, regular public transportation installed. (or de-installed, as the case is... even -roger rabbit- references the cultural meme, for cryin' out loud:) this effects -everything- in terms of fuel usage, from public transportation to private/freight hauling, everyday...

2) hence, 'essential' distances for work and life in general expand to wider radiuses than in the EU, and most of the rest of the world too, probably. ('essential', because 'debatable', but this is some side-effect of americans 'raising the standard' - wanderlust, i guess it'd have to be classified as...)

3) the u.k. doesn't have self-professed 'texas-style oil barons' taking charge 'round here... but we have, ever since lbj... even if the ones who were not really 'self-professed texas-style oil barons...' we've -felt- their influence keeping a grip on things for a good long time now. (conspiratorial-sounding, i know... no ready facts to back that up. i'm following my instinct here... the 'free market' isn't nearly as decisive and 'conscious' an entity as they -want- to make it sound.)

solution #1: reinvigorate the u.s. rail system, public/transit and private/contract. for crying out loud, the tv makes it sound like the only way to 'serve your country' is by joining the marines... how about -taking the bus- instead of driving?? geeez... :) but many u.s. public transportation systems are cut down to a bare minimum these days, and (unfortunately, it speaks of the american mindset:) it has to serve itself to us as best it can. infrequent, yet crowded public trans. services don't sell themselves well.

solution #2: all of this may require a minor or major economic collapse to bring about, in any case, but there would have to be a housing-market collapse, or urban rental developments will have to, out of desperation to fill their openings, offer better quality housing for a -cheaper price- to encourage rentals, and create closer-knit communities...

solution #3: impeach 'em all. (or indict 'em all. whichever. :)
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10-30-2005 00:07
From: Jamie Bergman
Chill out dude. Thats what we're in Iraq for. Cheap gas. Let Bush do his magic. After these woefully inept terrorists are wiped out, we can start to steal...errr... purchase their oil.

So relax, grab a Starbucks Frappacino, and fill up your SUV.


Bush has already done his magic, it's all in the math.

(1 GWB) + (0 WMD's) = 2K + DEAD
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10-30-2005 07:15
From: Aleister DaSilva
Bush has already done his magic, it's all in the math.

(1 GWB) + (0 WMD's) = 2K + DEAD


But just think how many terroristic attacks we've prevented from being on our soil by taking the fight to the insurgents.
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10-30-2005 07:17
From: Jamie Bergman
But just think how many terroristic attacks we've prevented from being on our soil by taking the fight to the insurgents.

Just think how many terroristic atttacks would be prevented by us not interfering in the middle east at all for the last 50 years.
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10-30-2005 08:12
From: Aleister DaSilva

(1 GWB) + (0 WMD's) = 2K + DEAD

That needs to be a bumper sticker.
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10-30-2005 08:29
From: Jamie Bergman
But just think how many terroristic attacks we've prevented from being on our soil by taking the fight to the insurgents.



And, if the American government would only begin randomly executing its own citizens, think how much more likely it'd be that someone like Timothy McVeigh would be killed before he could bomb something!


Yeah, yeah ~ that's the ticket. :D
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10-30-2005 09:11
From: Chance Abattoir
Has the consumption rate of fuel increased in the past year? Populations increase every year, housing increases every year (and electricity doesn't come from magic), and weather patterns are changing. China even had a car revolution recently and was in a rush to buy cars. I hear there was even a war we waged with vehicles that got mere miles to the gallon. I can only assume, based on all these factors, that consumption is rising. If so, by what factor?


Don't have any '05 statistics at hand, but I have data from 1949 to 2004 tha provides a good view of a trend on consumption and production. I'll attach them here. If you want all the raw data, I can provide that too if you can read Excel files.
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10-30-2005 09:19
From: Aleister DaSilva
Just think how many terroristic atttacks would be prevented by us not interfering in the middle east at all for the last 50 years.


Yeah, but then we'd all be riding bikes. No thank you, I like my SUV, thank you very much.
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10-30-2005 09:20
From: Memory Harker
And, if the American government would only begin randomly executing its own citizens, think how much more likely it'd be that someone like Timothy McVeigh would be killed before he could bomb something!


Yeah, yeah ~ that's the ticket. :D


When a point is exaggerated to the point of ridiculousness it loses all meaning.
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10-30-2005 09:21
From: Alexin Bismark
Don't have any '05 statistics at hand, but I have data from 1949 to 2004 tha provides a good view of a trend on consumption and production. I'll attach them here. If you want all the raw data, I can provide that too if you can read Excel files.


Damn, judging by those graphs, the US is going to have to do something about the fact we consume much more energy than we produce.
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10-30-2005 09:35
From: Jamie Bergman
Damn, judging by those graphs, the US is going to have to do something about the fact we consume much more energy than we produce.


Exactly. Consumption continues to grow, but production can't keep pace, especially in the area of refined gasoline. Impact to refining capacity has a big impact on price, either directly due to availability or market jitters by oil traders. But that's what happens when you haven't built a new domestic refinery in decades. As far as refined gasoline, and petrolium derivatives, having all the oil in the world is not going to result in much more domestic product. And refining overseas has a transport cost.
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10-30-2005 10:29
From: Jamie Bergman
Yeah, but then we'd all be riding bikes. No thank you, I like my SUV, thank you very much.

That makes no sense at all, Jamie.
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10-30-2005 10:30
From: Jamie Bergman
Damn, judging by those graphs, the US is going to have to do something about the fact we consume much more energy than we produce.

Buy an economic car and drive that on days you don't absolutely need to drive your SUV.
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10-30-2005 11:27
From: Jamie Bergman
When a point is exaggerated to the point of ridiculousness it loses all meaning.

Oh, really? You mean like this:

From: Jamie Bergman
Yeah, but then we'd all be riding bikes. No thank you, I like my SUV, thank you very much.

You been spending a bit too much time in the Pointless Forest again, J.B.?



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