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The U.S. Defense Budget, Explained with OREO Cookies |
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Ghoti Nyak
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07-31-2006 21:22
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Einsman Schlegel
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07-31-2006 21:26
Mmm speaking of which, dessert time.
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Sally Rosebud
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07-31-2006 21:34
You think the president understands oreos?
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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07-31-2006 21:47
You think he understands reality?
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Fmeh Tagore
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07-31-2006 21:54
That was a great clip. Thank you for sharing that with the rest of us.
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Champie Jack
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07-31-2006 22:01
It doesn't matter how you shuffle around the Oreos...
Oreos = Money Federal Programs = Glass of Milk Congress = Enjoying a tasty snack before naptime Neither Republicans nor Democrats (as groups) demonstrate spending discipline. Some would argue that a LINE ITEM VETO would enpower a president to maintain fiscal discipline without rejecting a budget completely. I'm not sure how well it would work. Perhapss better tools (legislative) and real consequences for a Congress that can't control spending are required. I'm much more in favor of a PROscriptive solution (boundries) than a PREscriptive solution (do this and this, etc) like Ice Cream boy suggests. |
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Champie Jack
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07-31-2006 22:02
You think the president understands oreos? The President doesn't create the budget. Do you understand? |
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07-31-2006 22:02
You think the president understands oreos? They should use pretzels. _____________________
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Fmeh Tagore
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07-31-2006 22:17
The President doesn't create the budget. Do you understand? No, he just pushes to implement things that make the budget much worse. The president has the power to be able to implement things that affect the budget. He pushed the whole tax cut thing, he pushed the whole Iraq war, he can push for things that actually help the budget if he chose to. _____________________
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Champie Jack
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07-31-2006 22:30
No, he just pushes to implement things that make the budget much worse. The president has the power to be able to implement things that affect the budget. He pushed the whole tax cut thing, he pushed the whole Iraq war, he can push for things that actually help the budget if he chose to. And congress bears the ultimate responsibility for writing the budget and passing it through the House and Senate. Looks to me that Congress is the culprit. The President can't accept a budget that the Congress never passes. By the way, since the tax cut, tax revenue is up a significant percentage. So, spending problems have nothing to do with tax cuts. |
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Fmeh Tagore
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07-31-2006 22:32
And congress bears the ultimate responsibility for writing the budget and passing it through the House and Senate. Looks to me that Congress is the culprit. The President can't accept a budget that the Congress never passes. True--they are all to blame. _____________________
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Champie Jack
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07-31-2006 22:34
True--they are all to blame. They are ALL to blame. I agree. However, I would add that neither party is any better than the other, in general. Perhaps under certain circumstances one party or the other looks better, but they both suffer from self-interest. |
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07-31-2006 22:49
They are ALL to blame. I agree. However, I would add that neither party is any better than the other, in general. Perhaps under certain circumstances one party or the other looks better, but they both suffer from self-interest. "in general" the democrats are the most disciplined people I've ever saw (compared to the repubs  ) these past 8 years, but before, that, yeah I guess they sucked just like them repubbies. In these situation, yeah, I guess the dems suck almost as much as the repubbies now!_____________________
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Champie Jack
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07-31-2006 22:51
"in general" the democrats are the most disciplined people I've ever saw (compared to the repubs ) these past 8 years, but before, that, yeah I guess they sucked just like them repubbies. In these situation, yeah, I guess the dems suck almost as much as the repubbies now!that's basically what I was thinking |
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08-01-2006 08:34
watch your tax money go
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Jack Harker
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08-01-2006 08:57
You think the president understands oreos? He doesn't even understand pretzles. |
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Nyoko Salome
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08-01-2006 09:45
And congress bears the ultimate responsibility for writing the budget and passing it through the House and Senate. Looks to me that Congress is the culprit. The President can't accept a budget that the Congress never passes. By the way, since the tax cut, tax revenue is up a significant percentage. So, spending problems have nothing to do with tax cuts. the repub's rule all three branches, and i can't say i remember any of them in the past five years 'going at each other' over the budget. there is no 'squabbling' (save to put on a show for those not really paying attention). we're only seeing the beginning of the 'true conservative vision' in action. and it's only getting worse... _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
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08-01-2006 11:40
He doesn't even understand pretzles. He shouldn't be allowed around food unsupervised.  _____________________
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Champie Jack
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08-01-2006 11:40
the repub's rule all three branches, and i can't say i remember any of them in the past five years 'going at each other' over the budget. there is no 'squabbling' (save to put on a show for those not really paying attention). we're only seeing the beginning of the 'true conservative vision' in action. and it's only getting worse... and my point has been, which you seem unwilling to concede, that both parties are irresponsible spenders. Cutting the defense budget as Ben and Jerry suggest does not address the problem of any congress being unaccountable for their spending habits. I will admit that it is a colorful and fun way to examine the budget. |
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Sally Rosebud
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08-01-2006 11:42
The President doesn't create the budget. Do you understand? That wasn't my question, do you understand? _____________________
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Champie Jack
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08-01-2006 12:30
That wasn't my question, do you understand? I do. But whether the president understands oreos is irrelevent to the budget process. Do you understand? Oh wait, I see, you just wanted to make some smart-ass self-important comment about George Bush. AH! I DO understand! |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-01-2006 12:36
My judgement is that a change of party from Rep to Dem would result in a decrease in military spending, just because defence corporations aren't traditionally the sponsors of the Dems. But you would find quite quickly that they would become Dem sponsors, and there would certainly be no real reduction in stupid amounts of money being spent on things that people don't need, defence-related or not.
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Champie Jack
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08-01-2006 12:43
My judgement is that a change of party from Rep to Dem would result in a decrease in military spending, just because defence corporations aren't traditionally the sponsors of the Dems. But you would find quite quickly that they would become Dem sponsors, and there would certainly be no real reduction in stupid amounts of money being spent on things that people don't need, defence-related or not. And for this reason, I think Ben and Jerry's PREscriptive plan is worthless. Spending in general needs to be controlled much better |
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Nyoko Salome
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08-01-2006 12:48
sure, if you convenience your position by forgetting how good eight years of clinton (with a lot of repubs around still) bit a big chunk out of the deficit. government was smaller too by the time he left.
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sure, if you convenience your position by forgetting how good eight years of clinton (with a lot of repubs around still) bit a big chunk out of the deficit. government was smaller too by the time he left. i once too believed "they're all the same." i don't anymore. never be that naive again. good years with Clinton? He rode the wave from Bush Sr's reforms _____________________
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