Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

antisemites in France ?

Canimal Zephyr
Mentally Ill
Join date: 16 Sep 2004
Posts: 705
08-06-2006 12:31
I got this Email Today:

From: someone

Once again, the real news is conveniently not being reported as it
should.

At present, in my Hebrew class, there is a woman who recently made aliya
from Paris with her family. I have spoken with her about anti-Semitism in
France and she confirmed that it is very, very serious and getting worse
every week. She and her family fled Paris and came to Israel, fearing for
their lives - literally. This is first hand, my friends.

To give you an idea of what's going on in France where there are now
between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews, here is an email that
came from another Jew still in France. Please read! Will the world say
nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

He writes, "I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to everyone on
all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back and do nothing." Nowhere have the
flames of anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France :

In Lyon , a car was rammed into a synagogue and set on fire.
In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center was firebombed;
so were synagogues in Strasbourg and Marseilles;
so was a Jewish school inCreteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with Molotov cocktails, and
on the statue of Alfred Dreyfus in Paris , the words "Dirty Jew" were
painted.
In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a Jewish footbal team with sticks and
metal bars. The bus that takes Jewish children to school in Aubervilliers
has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen 10 to 12 anti-Jewish
incidents PER DAY in the past 30 days. Wake up, world! Walls in Jewish
neighborhoods have been defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas
chambers" and "Death to theJews."

A gunman opened fire on a kosher butcher's shop (and, of course, the
butcher) in Toulouse , France ; a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up
by five men in Villeurbanne , France. The woman was pregnant; a Jewish school
was broken into and vandalized in Sarcelles, France. This was in the past
week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a friend, or merely a
person with the capacity and desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to
do, at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let yourself become
deluded i nto thinking that this is not your fight. I remind you of what Pastor
Neimoller said in World War II: First they came for the Communists, and I
didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist.Then they came for the
Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for the
Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they
came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the Arab countries are
more toxically anti-Semitic and, unlike them, France exports more than just
oil andhatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes. Boycott their
clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott their movies. Definitely boycott their
shores.
If we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and, whatever else we
may know about the French, we most certainly know that they are like a cobweb
in a hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends, and your co-workers.
Think of all of the people of good conscience that you know and let them
know that you and the people that you care about need their help.


So this is what's going on in france? Cos.. wow.
Jesse Malthus
OMG HAX!
Join date: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 649
08-06-2006 12:40
|
----------------> Sandbox
_____________________
Ruby loves me like Japanese Jesus.
Did Jesus ever go back and clean up those footprints he left? Beach Authority had to spend precious manpower.
Japanese Jesus, where are you?
Pragmatic!
Zapoteth Zaius
Is back
Join date: 14 Feb 2004
Posts: 5,634
08-06-2006 12:52
Moving to Sandbox :).
_____________________
I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me.
---------------
Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50)
---------------
Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
08-06-2006 12:56
"therefore I am forwarding this to everyone on all my e-mail lists", "send this along to your family, your friends, and your co-workers" - words which should give anyone pause.
Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
08-06-2006 12:59
Yes, it has been a problem. Here's a more detailed analysis from Harvard
_____________________
============
Broadly offensive.
Garoad Kuroda
Prophet of Muppetry
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 2,989
08-06-2006 13:04
The "source" is about as questionable as it can get, but I wouldn't be shocked to find out that *gasp* Europeans are just as hateful and racist as anyone else--if not more so.

Don't forget, if it's Jews being attacked, it's not news--it's propaganda.

Edit: I wasn't talking about the Harvard link, but the email as questionable.
_____________________
BTW

WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Canimal Zephyr
Mentally Ill
Join date: 16 Sep 2004
Posts: 705
08-06-2006 14:42
garoad - Well I think there are a lot of french people in sl, surely some read the forums & see the news. I wouldn't mind hearing from them.

I don't care about the source If this is going on in France I didn't know & I'd like to know about it is all.

& spare me your sarcasm it doesn't make you sound any more clever.

Lorelei Patel - thank you very much for the link.
Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
08-06-2006 14:43
Not to worry. We are now in WWIII. France will surrender soon.
_____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Garoad Kuroda
Prophet of Muppetry
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 2,989
08-06-2006 15:03
From: Canimal Zephyr
garoad - Well I think there are a lot of french people in sl, surely some read the forums & see the news. I wouldn't mind hearing from them.

I don't care about the source If this is going on in France I didn't know & I'd like to know about it is all.

& spare me your sarcasm it doesn't make you sound any more clever.

Lorelei Patel - thank you very much for the link.


Heh, the sarcasm wasn't to be clever, probably more to be a wiseass. Sigh... I wasn't always such a forum wiseass, you know... the people here drove me to it!

But you are right to be concerned about such a thing, questionable source or not. Don't take my post as a flame or anything.
_____________________
BTW

WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,786
08-07-2006 00:53
i am french. and this thing smell like total bullshit XD, hell the only recent events that caused accidents where the student revolt and the world cup.

its nice anti french intox , that's about it
_____________________

tired of XStreetSL? try those!
apez http://tinyurl.com/yfm9d5b
metalife http://tinyurl.com/yzm3yvw
metaverse exchange http://tinyurl.com/yzh7j4a
slapt http://tinyurl.com/yfqah9u
Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
08-07-2006 01:17
It's a mixed bag. Looks like the problem is on the decline, at least. From the fount of all Internet knowledge, Wikipedia

From: someone

Anti-Semitic incidents, many thought to have been carried out by Neo-Nazis and Muslims due to racism and in reaction to events in the Middle East, doubled between 2003 and 2004, but have since declined. One incident that caused particular outrage was the 2006 torture and murder of a young Parisian Jew, Ilan Halimi which was found to be an anti-semitic act.

There is considerable uneasiness amongst international Jewish circles about how to deal with crimes committed by Muslim youth from the immigrant communities, a problem that extends well beyond anti-semitic attacks and brings in complex issues of social and economic integration. However, according to a poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, 71% of French Muslims had positive views of Jews, the highest percentage in the world [1].

There seems to be a shift among young Jews, many of whose parents have grown accustomed to considering themselves French first and Jewish second, towards heightened and more public self-identification as "Jewish."[citation needed]

In 2005 an Israeli newspaper, fcj the Maariv, which had previously criticised alleged French anti-semitism, published a study from the Pew Institute measuring various countries’ sympathies towards Jews in which France placed second with 82% of those questioned having a favorable attitudes towards Jews. The Netherlands led the list with 85%. [2]

Presently (as of 2005), there are more than 600,000 Jews living in France (the largest number in Europe), of which around 375,000 live in Paris.
_____________________
============
Broadly offensive.
Damian Baphomet
SLuuuuurp !
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 153
08-07-2006 03:01
I'm french, I live in Paris and working in a fairly jewish district. I follow the news everyday ... though I haven't seen anything about what is said in this mail.

French aren't more hatefull than every other people, probably less for the most part as the scar of the WWII is still quite alive and the memories of the holocaust is kept vivid by both jewish and catholic community.

Yes there has been incidents between jewish and muslim due to international situation but not more than in any other country.

Calling french people antisemits, racists or nazi is plain stupid as Frandce is one of the crossroads for immigration from africa and eastern europe countries and has lots of diferent communities from differetn cultures and religions blending quite well all in all.
I haven't said we had no problems with extremists and racists of all sorts ... but not more than in say US (probably way less actually).

French and not above others in "virtue" but I'm also sure they aren't below.
_____________________
Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
08-07-2006 05:09
I was in a gun shop the other day and there was an old military rifle. It wasn't american made and it looked interesting so I asked the shop keeper about it. He said it was a French rifle from WW2 and its never fired a shot. I was incredulous at that and asked why a military rifle had never fired a shot. The response was a deadpan "its never been shot, only dropped twice"
_____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!

From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Damian Baphomet
SLuuuuurp !
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 153
08-07-2006 05:22
From: Billybob Goodliffe
I was in a gun shop the other day and there was an old military rifle. It wasn't american made and it looked interesting so I asked the shop keeper about it. He said it was a French rifle from WW2 and its never fired a shot. I was incredulous at that and asked why a military rifle had never fired a shot. The response was a deadpan "its never been shot, only dropped twice"



haha ... funny really ... especially the tendency of certain americans to repeat ad nauseam that they think french people are cowards. If thinking before shooting somebody and being reluctant to wear guns out in the city is being a coward ... well then I'm proud to be one of those.
_____________________
Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
08-07-2006 05:23
From: Damian Baphomet
haha ... funny really ... especially the tendency of certain americans to repeat ad nauseam that they think french people are cowards. If thinking before shooting somebody and being reluctant to wear guns out in the city is being a coward ... well then I'm proud to be one of those.

that joke is older than dirt, and it was actually originally Italians I just changed it around for the current thread.
_____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!

From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Damian Baphomet
SLuuuuurp !
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 153
08-07-2006 05:26
From: Billybob Goodliffe
that joke is older than dirt, and it was actually originally Italians I just changed it around for the current thread.


hehe that doesn't surprise me from italians either actually ... they never drop guns ... they prefer stabbing you in the back with some sharp stuff :P
_____________________
Izlador Shutt
Registered User
Join date: 7 Aug 2006
Posts: 2
08-07-2006 05:27
Hee Hee

That's funny because I just ordered a WW2 American rifle and they said it might turn up eventually, long after I really need it.
Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
08-07-2006 05:28
From: Izlador Shutt
Hee Hee

That's funny because I just ordered a WW2 American rifle and they said it might turn up eventually, long after I really need it.

ironic I have 3, hmm seems we keep them to ourselves.
_____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!

From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Izlador Shutt
Registered User
Join date: 7 Aug 2006
Posts: 2
08-07-2006 05:29
Hee Hee

An American using the word "ironic".
Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
08-07-2006 05:31
From: Izlador Shutt
Hee Hee

An American using the word "ironic".

hehe
a foreigner buying american guns
_____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!

From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Peacefrog Shore
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
08-07-2006 05:36
Hee Hee

That was a joke too. Racial Stereotype - Americans like to turn up to conflicts late!! Get It?

I'm just trying to be funny - like your French Joke. The difference being I'm British and find all racial stereotypes funny (I have terrible teeth and am probably terrible in bed), whereas you are American and find all racial stereotypes funny EXCEPT AGAINST AMERICANS. Just like to put the shoe on the other foot now and again. No offence intended.
Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
08-07-2006 05:38
From: Peacefrog Shore
Hee Hee

That was a joke too. Racial Stereotype - Americans like to turn up to conflicts late!! Get It?

I'm just trying to be funny - like your French Joke. The difference being I'm British and find all racial stereotypes funny (I have terrible teeth and am probably terrible in bed), whereas you are American and find all racial stereotypes funny EXCEPT AGAINST AMERICANS. Just like to put the shoe on the other foot now and again. No offence intended.

I find stereotypes funny as well, I have a thread where I ask people to stereotype me just for shits and giggles.
_____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!

From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Peacefrog Shore
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
08-07-2006 05:42
Post a link BillyBob. That would give me a good half hour entertainment. I think it's interesting that as the world becomes more multi-cultural and these stereotypes become more out of touch and farsical, they just get funnier and funnier.
Billybob Goodliffe
NINJA WIZARDS!
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 4,036
08-07-2006 05:43
From: Peacefrog Shore
Post a link BillyBob. That would give me a good half hour entertainment. I think it's interesting that as the world becomes more multi-cultural and these stereotypes become more out of touch and farsical, they just get funnier and funnier.

here you go

/112/1a/126088/1.html
_____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!

From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Peacefrog Shore
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
08-07-2006 05:49
HeeHee

Funny stuff. I got you completely wrong Billybob (maybe you can poke fun at yourself). You may continue your French bashing now.
1 2