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Fmeh Tagore
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09-04-2006 04:12
http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html

This is the type of person who would sue an establishment after spilling hot coffee on themselves. This is just sooooo pathetic.
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09-04-2006 04:31
911 should have hung up on the crazy bitch less than 1 minute into this. :rolleyes:
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09-04-2006 04:45
From: 911 Operator


"We're not gonna go down there and enforce your Western Bacon Cheeseburger!"

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"What are we protecting you from? A wrong cheeseburger? Is this a harmful cheeseburger or something?"



Hahahaha! Hilarious. I really had to check this wasn't genuine comedy. This sort of abuse would've put the Monty Python team out of business, had it been commonplace 30 years ago. :D
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09-04-2006 08:53
From: Fmeh Tagore
http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html

This is the type of person who would sue an establishment after spilling hot coffee on themselves. This is just sooooo pathetic.


Okay, that woman is clearly a raving idiot, but the coffee woman has gotten a bad rap that she doesn't deserve. The coffee was so ridiculously hot that she required extensive skin grafts to repair the damage from third degree burns to her groin. She was in the hospital for more than a week. Her lawsuit was more than justified.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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09-04-2006 09:05
From: Chip Midnight
Okay, that woman is clearly a raving idiot, but the coffee woman has gotten a bad rap that she doesn't deserve. The coffee was so ridiculously hot that she required extensive skin grafts to repair the damage from third degree burns to her groin. She was in the hospital for more than a week. Her lawsuit was more than justified.


Sorry Chip.... coffee is made with near boiling water, and water cant get hotter than 100 degrees centigrade at normal atmospheric pressures. Hot coffee is hot coffee is hot coffee.

SHE spilt it, and she sues the shop, sorry thats just a symptom of this fucking ridiculous compensation culturewe live in now.

If you're too stupid to drink coffee without spilling it, you should stick to Coke of somesuch.
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09-04-2006 09:28
Some handy info on that story:

http://www.thismodernworld.com/media/arc/1995%20archive/95-04-05-McDonald's-coffee.gif

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09-04-2006 09:32
http://www.vanfirm.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm

"Before trial, McDonald's gave the opposing lawyer its operations and training manual, which says its coffee must be brewed at 195 to 205 degrees and held at 180 to 190 degrees for optimal taste."
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09-04-2006 09:45
omg what a waste of taxpayer money! Those 9-1-1 operaters have more important things to do. I'm sure she was laughing after she hung up though. Unbelievable the sense of entitlement some people have.
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09-04-2006 09:54
They should have sent this guy

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09-04-2006 10:01
OMG Kendra! <3
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Arin Enfield
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hmmm...
09-04-2006 10:03
From: Fmeh Tagore
http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html

This is the type of person who would sue an establishment after spilling hot coffee on themselves. This is just sooooo pathetic.



doesn't this woman resell freebies in SL? ;)
Cannae Brentano
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09-04-2006 12:16
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Sorry Chip.... coffee is made with near boiling water, and water cant get hotter than 100 degrees centigrade at normal atmospheric pressures. Hot coffee is hot coffee is hot coffee.

SHE spilt it, and she sues the shop, sorry thats just a symptom of this fucking ridiculous compensation culturewe live in now.

If you're too stupid to drink coffee without spilling it, you should stick to Coke of somesuch.





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Stella was burned badly (some sources say six percent of her skin was burned, other sources say 16 percent was) and needed two years of treatment and rehabilitation, including skin grafts. McDonald's refused an offer to settle with her for $20,000 in medical costs.

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From 1982 to 1992, McDonald's coffee burned more than 700 people, usually slightly but sometimes seriously, resulting in some number of other claims and lawsuits.

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Witnesses for McDonald's admitted in court that consumers are unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald's required temperature, admitted that it did not warn customers of this risk, could offer no explanation as to why it did not, and testified that it did not intend to turn down the heat even though it admitted that its coffee is "not fit for consumption" when sold because it is too hot.

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The plaintiffs were apparently able to document 700 cases of burns from McDonald's coffee over 10 years, or 70 burns per year. But that doesn't take into account how many cups are sold without incident. A McDonald's consultant pointed out the 700 cases in 10 years represents just 1 injury per 24 million cups sold! For every injury, no matter how severe, 23,999,999 people managed to drink their coffee without any injury whatever. Isn't that proof that the coffee is not "unreasonably dangerous"?

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Coffee is supposed to be served in the range of 185 degrees! The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit." (Source: NCAUSA.) Exactly what, then, did McDonald's do wrong? Did it exhibit "willful, wanton, reckless or malicious conduct" -- the standard in New Mexico for awarding punitive damages?


http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html
Beryl Greenacre
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09-04-2006 12:40
This thread reminded me of a recent story about a local woman who also placed an inappropriate 9-1-1 call: Lonely Aloha (OR) woman arrested after using 911 for love line.

The self-centeredness and poor judgment of some people is just amazing.
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Chip Midnight
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09-04-2006 12:51
From: Cannae Brentano
Coffee is supposed to be served in the range of 185 degrees! The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit." (Source: NCAUSA.) Exactly what, then, did McDonald's do wrong? Did it exhibit "willful, wanton, reckless or malicious conduct" -- the standard in New Mexico for awarding punitive damages?


Anything over 140 degrees causes burns to the inside of your mouth. Serving it a full 40-45 degrees above what will cause severe injury is a pretty stupid recommendation. If you followed it to the letter, served your coffee that way and then drank it immediately you would be a very unhappy camper. If I order a cup of coffee I want it at a temperature that actually can be drank immediately without a subsequent trip to the emergency room. :p

From: someone
McDonald's own quality assurance manager testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above and that McDonald's coffee was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat.
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and not just mouth area...
09-04-2006 13:14
From: Chip Midnight
Anything over 140 degrees causes burns to the inside of your mouth. Serving it a full 40-45 degrees above what will cause severe injury is a pretty stupid recommendation. If you followed it to the letter, served your coffee that way and then drank it immediately you would be a very unhappy camper. If I order a cup of coffee I want it at a temperature that actually can be drank immediately without a subsequent trip to the emergency room. :p


pretty much the same reasoning as why it is recommended to keep your hot water heater set at 120 degrees at maximum if you have children in the home. anything too far above that is a scalding hazard.
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09-04-2006 13:17
From: Chip Midnight
Anything over 140 degrees causes burns to the inside of your mouth. Serving it a full 40-45 degrees above what will cause severe injury is a pretty stupid recommendation. If you followed it to the letter, served your coffee that way and then drank it immediately you would be a very unhappy camper. If I order a cup of coffee I want it at a temperature that actually can be drank immediately without a subsequent trip to the emergency room. :p



I hate when people bring up this case as a 'frivilous lawsuit'. Sure there are frivilous lawsuits, but I don't view this as one of them.

McDonald's was aware of the problem and negligent in correcting it,
prior to this case, it only took 700 claims in 10 years to finally get them to bring the temp of their coffee down to something normal.

(If I recall correctly, the exact amount Liebeck got was never disclosed because in the end it was appealed and they settled out of court.)

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Chip Midnight
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09-04-2006 14:12
From: Jopsy Pendragon
(If I recall correctly, the exact amount Liebeck got was never disclosed because in the end it was appealed and they settled out of court.)


She sought to settle for $20,000 but McDonald's refused. Presumably that was what she needed to cover the week in the hospital.
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Cannae Brentano
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09-04-2006 14:24
From: Chip Midnight
She sought to settle for $20,000 but McDonald's refused. Presumably that was what she needed to cover the week in the hospital.


It was. The 20K was to cover her medical expenses, which included skin grafts to her groin area.
Kris Ritter
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09-04-2006 14:56
only slightly more offtopic than half of these posts, but still in the area of 'its hard to believe people like this exist'...

Did you hear about the boat owner who is suing a guy who commandeered his precious boat in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and subsequently saved the lives of 200 people for taking it without permission? Nice.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9742880/detail.html
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09-04-2006 15:53
From: Kris Ritter
only slightly more offtopic than half of these posts, but still in the area of 'its hard to believe people like this exist'...

Did you hear about the boat owner who is suing a guy who commandeered his precious boat in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and subsequently saved the lives of 200 people for taking it without permission? Nice.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9742880/detail.html


He should offer to return the boat in the condition it would have been in had it been left in the path of Katrina.

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09-04-2006 15:59
From: Fmeh Tagore
http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html

This is the type of person who would sue an establishment after spilling hot coffee on themselves. This is just sooooo pathetic.


(finally listened to the clip)

I'm 99% convinced this is a spoof.

I can't imagine anyone at 911 wasting that much time or suggesting a course of action, once, much less twice.

The few times I've heard that anyone inappropriately dialed 911 for non-life threatening issues they were told to call the police department at their non-emergency number.

It is still rather funny though.

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Fmeh Tagore
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09-04-2006 16:13
I still don't buy the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit. Every time I've gotten coffee anywhere, it's always really hot, and I've always known that spilling it on myself could cause burns. I expect coffee to be just under boiling temperature. If it had been an employee that spilled it on the person, I'd say a lawsuit would be totally called for, but it wasn't, the person spilled it on themselves.

There are things that people just know are going to be hot, and coffee is one of them.

Maybe people should sue mexican restaurants if they burn themselves on the sizzling fajita plate.

How about people suing the tobacco industry for getting cancer from cigarettes?

How about a woman suing Target because an employee made a comment about her breastfeeding in public?

How about people suing becuase someone said a derogatory slur towards them (didn't make a threat, but just said something derogatory)?

How about someone trying to sue a fireworks stand because their kid did something stupid with a firecracker?

How about forcing the discontinuation of 3-wheeled off-road vehicles because someone 5 years old hurt themselves on one, and they were too young to ride it in the first place?

How about the FCC suing over the Janet Jackson's breast "incident"?
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Chip Midnight
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09-04-2006 18:08
From: Fmeh Tagore
There are things that people just know are going to be hot, and coffee is one of them.


When I'm served a beverage I expect to be able to consume it immediately without suffering grievous injury.

It's like getting served fish in a sandwich with all the bones still in it but not being told, and then claiming it's the consumers fault for choking to death on it. I mean, it's not like it's the restaurants responsibility to provide a safe product, right? :p
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Fmeh Tagore
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09-04-2006 18:14
From: Chip Midnight
When I'm served a beverage I expect to be able to consume it immediately without suffering grievous injury.

It's like getting served fish in a sandwich with all the bones still in it but not being told, and then claiming it's the consumers fault for choking to death on it. I mean, it's not like it's the restaurants responsibility to provide a safe product, right? :p

So, every time as a kid I burnt my mouth on a cup of hot-cocoa served at a place that wasn't where I lived, I should have sued?

I think people need to take more responsibility for their own actions. If you're eating fish, you should expect that unless they specifically said that it absolutely has no bones in it or your money back, that it could have bones in it. It doens't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, nor does it take rocket scientists to figure out that coffee might be hot. These are the types of lawsuits that have made things like "warning, flammable" be written on lighters and matches. These are the types of lawsuits that make some entrepreneurs afraid to start their own businesses--the fear of "What if someone does something stupid and then blames it on me?" We need to stop blaming everyone else for our stupidity--like I said, it's not really any different than someone suing the tobacco industry for getting cancer from smoking for 20 years.
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