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Ananda Sandgrain
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10-10-2005 23:43
Personally I prefer the Sumerian versions where the sons of the gods came to Earth and raped all the women. And the buffaloes.
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10-10-2005 23:54
Personally I prefer the Sumerian versions where the sons of the gods came to Earth and raped all the women. And the buffaloes. Must explain where cows came from. I always knew there was something special about old Bessie. |
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10-10-2005 23:56
Personally I prefer the Sumerian versions where the sons of the gods came to Earth and raped all the women. And the buffaloes. That's hot. _____________________
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10-10-2005 23:57
I like petting cats, and thinking: "In there, there's a wild soul that goes many thousands of years back, and this little kitty may be domesticated, but not tamed!" That always really fascinates me, all the kinds of cats. Cats are cool. Maybe someday I'll adopt one. I'd like a kitty with saberteeth, but that might not be the most feasible thing in this day and age. Anyway I just wanted to say this.
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10-11-2005 00:07
I like petting cats, and thinking: "In there, there's a wild soul that goes many thousands of years back, and this little kitty may be domesticated, but not tamed!" That always really fascinates me, all the kinds of cats. Cats are cool. Maybe someday I'll adopt one. I'd like a kitty with saberteeth, but that might not be the most feasible thing in this day and age. Anyway I just wanted to say this. We have a lot of strays around our apartment because the manager's wife feeds them but refuses to claim ownership of them. There's a white one that is losing fur, probably has limited use of its eyes, and was bleeding from the inner ear yesterday. You can have that one if you want. ![]() _____________________
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Ananda Sandgrain
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10-11-2005 00:07
I like petting cats, and thinking: "In there, there's a wild soul that goes many thousands of years back, and this little kitty may be domesticated, but not tamed!" That always really fascinates me, all the kinds of cats. Cats are cool. Maybe someday I'll adopt one. I'd like a kitty with saberteeth, but that might not be the most feasible thing in this day and age. Anyway I just wanted to say this. ROFL! Torley, you're the greatest! I can't stop giggling. <3 Ima gonna gota bed. _____________________
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10-11-2005 00:14
My stoner friend thinks that lizard aliens came down from the sky and bred with us and made us who we are. Can anyone tell me why he thinks this? Annunaki! Giant hominid lizard beings! Also called Nephilim! G.W. is one! If you watch him on TV - REALLY CLOSE- you may see his holodisguise drop for a moment, and his true reptilian, illuminati nature will be revealed! These Annunaki are NOT our creators. As you can see they themselves were created beings by God in heaven and were assigned to watch over the earth. When they rebelled, they were cast out of heaven, their first estate, although they do still reign in the first and second heavens and inhabit other planets and star systems visiting Earth in UFOs. Many of them, have underground bases here in the earth. In the ensuing years the Theory of Evolution will be discredited from the very founders themselves and their pawns. They will then promote through Government Disinfo Scientists that mankind was created in a test tube by these Annunaki and that these Annunaki are our creators. This is part of the grand delusion and lie at the end of days. These Annunaki are also known as Nephilim, and several other names. Instead of preaching the truth, our Churches changed the truth to lies and preached the "Sons of Seth" facade changing the truth of Scriptures. These angels were the Sons of God who rebelled against Him. Our Churches also took out the Book of Enoch out of the Scriptures to hide this worldwide hybridization and the truth as to who these aliens are and what they are doing. ![]() Seth Kanahoe is really Seth - shhhhh! _____________________
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10-11-2005 00:21
Annunaki! Giant hominid lizard beings! Also called Nephilim! G.W. is one! If you watch him on TV - REALLY CLOSE- you may see his holodisguise drop for a moment, and his true reptilian, illuminati nature will be revealed! Seth Kanahoe is really Seth - shhhhh! Did you notice that the platform he stood on during his campaign was the geometric equivalent of the Atlantean seal? _____________________
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10-11-2005 00:24
Did you notice that the platform he stood on during his campaign was the geometric equivalent of the Atlantean seal? Yes. So I have packed my things inside a matchbox and made a boat from an elm leaf. _____________________
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Daz Honey
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10-11-2005 00:32
I like petting cats, and thinking: "In there, there's a wild soul that goes many thousands of years back, and this little kitty may be domesticated, but not tamed!" That always really fascinates me, all the kinds of cats. Cats are cool. Maybe someday I'll adopt one. I'd like a kitty with saberteeth, but that might not be the most feasible thing in this day and age. Anyway I just wanted to say this. It must be cool to be a cat, a self-contained peaking acrobat soft and warm curled on the mat yeah, blah blah blah FOOD CAT! _____________________
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Dark Korvin
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10-11-2005 00:39
Annunaki! Giant hominid lizard beings! Also called Nephilim! G.W. is one! If you watch him on TV - REALLY CLOSE- you may see his holodisguise drop for a moment, and his true reptilian, illuminati nature will be revealed! These Annunaki are NOT our creators. As you can see they themselves were created beings by God in heaven and were assigned to watch over the earth. When they rebelled, they were cast out of heaven, their first estate, although they do still reign in the first and second heavens and inhabit other planets and star systems visiting Earth in UFOs. Many of them, have underground bases here in the earth. In the ensuing years the Theory of Evolution will be discredited from the very founders themselves and their pawns. They will then promote through Government Disinfo Scientists that mankind was created in a test tube by these Annunaki and that these Annunaki are our creators. This is part of the grand delusion and lie at the end of days. These Annunaki are also known as Nephilim, and several other names. Instead of preaching the truth, our Churches changed the truth to lies and preached the "Sons of Seth" facade changing the truth of Scriptures. These angels were the Sons of God who rebelled against Him. Our Churches also took out the Book of Enoch out of the Scriptures to hide this worldwide hybridization and the truth as to who these aliens are and what they are doing. ![]() Seth Kanahoe is really Seth - shhhhh! The interesting question still not answered is why? We have all the hows easily answered in the superior knowledge of ancient people, but what on earth is the why? Why would God create a bunch of four limbed hairy slugs on a ball of mud, when they were obviously meant to be the most important creation of all times. I mean God is a giant four limbed hairy slug, so surely the giant lizards weren't the important creation. Maybe the lizards just got horny and had to be run off before all the slugs became strange lizard slug mixes. Explains the chaining in the desert and the dare I say evil destruction of their children described in the Book of Enoch. I digress though. Carry on. The slugs, or was it supposed to be sheep are thoroughly confused now. P.S. I'm glad to know who Seth is, do you know what happened to Cain? |
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10-11-2005 00:41
Stuff snipped ![]() Seth Kanahoe is really Seth - shhhhh! You know, my friend might actually believe you. He also believes that weak-minded people get posessed by demons and that they control the world (demons do). Also, he just discovered Noam Chomsky. _____________________
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Daz Honey
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10-11-2005 00:43
![]() Seth Kanahoe is really Seth - shhhhh! I read Zecharia Sitchins books, he really lays down a powerfull case based on acheological artifacts and translations from the origional biblical texts. http://www.sitchin.com/ One thing makes me consider his theory that the aliens manipulated our DNA to make primitive man into workers, the fact that we alone of all the species on this planet are self destructive even though we are the most intelligent beings (sorry dolphins!). It's almost as if something went wrong somewhere, we are on the verge, have been on the verge for years of complete destruction and still have lunatics itching to wreck our planet. If we had evolved slowly perhaps we would not be so intelligent AND un-intelligent at the same time, after all what animal destroys it's environment? Sitchin is worth a read, even if you don't buy the 12th planet thing it's well written and full of documented facts. Of course thanks to Bush, many of the artifacts to prove his case were looted from the Iraq sites and museums, hmmmm.... _____________________
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10-11-2005 01:09
Can I just laugh at you instead for making the most absurd statement you have yet uttered on these forums? I wouldn't think of laughing at someone for believing in god of any flavor, I reserve that for fundamentalist dogmatists that know not of what they speak. If biology is junk science, then there is no such thing as science. My comments were not directed at any one person, they were directed at those who do laugh at or ridicule people who support creationist theory. If that doesn't apply to you, move on. And if my statement that evolution theory does not explain the creation of lungs and a heart and blood and liver, prove me wrong. Show me all the steps leading from an amoeba to healthy lungs, and the creatures that are the results of these steps. |
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10-11-2005 01:18
To all those people who say my statement that there is not sufficient proof to back up evolution theory is "Ridiculous", I say this:
Please prove your theory. * If lungs and liver and a heart and blood all came about through random changes, it is illogical that only one version of these organs should have come about. We should be seeing several markedly different versions of these organs in different animals, as the basic raw initial version was refined down different paths over time. I require proofs of at least three serious variations on the human lungs and liver and heart. * If organs came about through random changes, we should see a large number of animals and indeed fossil records with partially developed lungs and heart etc. Find me two of these animals and/or two fossil records. Science is the discovery of facts by proof. Too many 'sensible' people here are attacking creationist theory, but they have no proof to support evolution theory. I ask today that before anyone else says anything on creationist theory being rubbish, they first produce evidence to prove evolution theory. As it stands it's just an unproven theory. No better or worse than creationism. I reserve my strongest criticism for those people who say "sometimes we get an extra rib" or "why would god make organs we don't use anymore". These comments are not even close to a scientific proof of evolution theory, and they do not belong in a serious debate. I am pretty level headed. I call upon those who really believe in Evolution theory to really look, and see if the proofs above can be found. Maybe we can all learn something. |
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10-11-2005 01:18
(to those creationalists who keep banging away trying to defeat the sum of mankind's knowledge)
just look at our Vestigial organs ( organs inherited from ancient ancestors, but no longer serving a purpose), why did god make useless organs inside us if we didn't evolve from needing them? funny, i looked up Vestigial organs in google and found anti-evolution sites haha! if you creationalists are correct why try so hard to prove you are right? after all you go to heaven and we burn in hell for all eternity right? and you can't say it's because you care about us un-enlightened people who will burn in hell, because you treat us like crap with your holier than thou attitudes. face it, you don't have the faith to believe that your religion is correct so you gotta keep defending it. If I said you were gay (and you weren't) over and over would you suddenly turn gay by my sheer onslaught of saying it? no, of course you wouldn't and I will not buy your anti-science clap-trap. Go about your merry way because you go to heaven with endless Pat Robertson singers and I burn in hell with AC/DC. _____________________
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10-11-2005 01:21
(to those creationalists who keep banging away trying to defeat the sum of mankind's knowledge) just look at our Vestigial organs ( organs inherited from ancient ancestors, but no longer serving a purpose), why did god make useless organs inside us if we didn't evolve from needing them? funny, i looked up Vestigial organs in google and found anti-evolution sites haha! if you creationalists are correct why try so hard to prove you are right? after all you go to heaven and we burn in hell for all eternity right? and you can't say it's because you care about us un-enlightened people who will burn in hell, because you treat us like crap with your holier than thou attitudes. face it, you don't have the faith to believe that your religion is correct so you gotta keep defending it. If I said you were gay (and you weren't) over and over would you suddenly turn gay by my sheer onslaught of saying it? no, of course you wouldn't and I will not buy your anti-science clap-trap. Go about your merry way because you go to heaven with endless Pat Robertson singers and I burn in hell with AC/DC. See post 215. |
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10-11-2005 01:22
See post 215. _____________________
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10-11-2005 01:23
no It's like I thought, you're all for the slagging off creation theory, but you can't come close to proving your own theories. |
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10-11-2005 01:30
no offense but if you think teaching some antiquated religious text over evolution is so important to save our souls you damn our society to ignorance. hey, if i'm going to hell then fuck off and leave me alone, you cannot change MY faith any more than I can change yours. so shut the hell up you little minded holier than thou morons, go back to your hamlets in the dark ages and die of the plague and a hundred diseases scientists have cured. Of course most of the creation fascists use the benefits of modern science and their real adgenda is power of the people. Do you really think Pat Robertson and George Bush can hear God? if you do you are as nuts, and I mean legally insane, as them. But we know the truth, they are lying to you and because you don't have the scrote to challenge them you let them say all these retarded things like advocating murder and God made hurricanes to kill homosexuals, get a freaking clue you ignorant dopes, if God is real, if the freaking Christian God is real, do you think he wants molested children, children killed in wars there was no reason for and children being raised in ignorance? please, wake up and smell the cofee, religion is not the word of God, all those texts were written by man, and because most people are not strong enough to have independant thoughts they buy all the b/s and you end up with wars and ignorance and a system of abuse. I've read the bible and took a powerfull message from it, when Jesus got pissed and kicked ass in that temple where God was second to self interest it was to show that your soul is important not the material things, not power not oil not blindly following the herd. Spirituality is the key, have faith in a higher being and the world is a better place for there is a better world ahead. Our time here is finite, love and do good deeds, be humble and know that what you do in this life affects your soul. Please wake up and stop being so selfish, we will not be converted to your version of whatever God is, we are educated now, we know that all children should be treated as precious things regardless of what their religion is (forced upon them). But that is the key to why the rightwing crazies are so adamant to remove science and common sence from the classroom, they want ignorant children as they are easier to manipulate. It has nothing to do with saving souls or whatever they say, it is simply for power. Our strength is knowledge and common sence, theirs is ignorance and blind obedience. I suggest challenging every religious fascist who thinks their faith is somehow stronger than yours, i do it all the time and never has one of them been able to show me anything except that they are brainwashed and want me to blindly follow them but sorry, I've spent a lot of time on my spirituality, I know God as well as anyone and he has guided me. Ditto. ![]() Religion and christinity is a tool used for control and conditioning. It's very basic stuff. On Evolution: I see evolutionary proof around me every day. It's a natural process of species adaptation and survival. Take the flu virus for instance. It changes and adapts to survive. Why can a chameleon change the color of it's skin? To survive. Why does a porcupine have quills? To survive. These things came about over millions of years. Even humans have adapted noticably since the beginning of recorded history. Our average height has risen and we are becoming more thin and graceful overall (even with our obesity problem due to unhealthy foods). Animals evolve, and so does the human animal. The slowest evolution takes place in those animals that got lucky enough to find a good defensive or strong offensive form in which to stay put. But even they still evolve slowly. Many species have been transported, or found themselve thrown into a new environment and somehow surived, though many die out as they cannot adapt fast enough. But those that straggle through slowly adapt and change, even if very slightly, to better survive. Having said all of the above, were humans a product of evolution, beginning thier time on this earth as primordeal ooze and then traveling up through the age of reptiles and into this modern day of mammals? I say yes. There has been enough found of primitive manlike beings to definitely point at that. If they weren't us, who were they and what became of them and why did they look so much like us? Prehistoric man did indeed walk the earth, and did indeed become what we are today. We probably have a comet hitting the earth and killing off "most" of the dinosaurs to thank for that. On Aliens:I'd like to think we were a colony from another planet, and there is a suprising amount of signs that could point to this, but I just can't buy it as we lost all of our technology far too quickly. Are we gentic experiments by a far more advanced race? We very well could be, but that still doesn't discount evolution. They may have planted very primitive seeeds indeed. I believe, just by looking at the odds, that we are far from the most advanced race within the Universe. Lets say the Universe as we know it all began in one big bang and suns formed and planets formed, some faster than others, some slower. There are billions upon billions of suns out there. Some are going to have life, and some are going to advance far further than us. Hell..the Dinosaurs lasted far, far, longer than we have so far. So another race starting out even with the dinosaurs, and not getting wiped out by a comet, disease, natural disaster or self destruction would have had one hell of a long time to advance. Millions of years. On God: As to one ultimate power, one god-like being, creating us. I don't see why he would. We are real squishy and not very hardy really, but we do have great comedic value I guess. We've proven over and over again that we can't be trusted and we certainly aren't respecting his creations by and large. Seems like if he wanted to create a race, he could have done a far better job. But maybe "he" is out there. God. I'd sure want to meet him and ask some questions. Like what the hell was the point of all this? And why create all the other suns? Why all the other solar systems, most so far out we will never see them twinkling all prettily in the night sky. And what's up the angels? They used to come down, in old testement times, with fiery swords and stuff, and deliver some dramatic messages. They get laid off? Or do people still get visited, but don't have the right connections to get the messages out? Maybe they should appear before Paris hilton or someone like that. She's highly visible. God may very well exsist. I mean something had to be around before the universe right? Where did all this space come from? But if he does, I'm still not certain he took that direct of a hand in our little species' creation. Maybe he caused the Unvirse to be created. Tossed in a pinch of this and that molecules and sat back to see what would happen. Personally, I think dolphins are a much more worthy species than us, and live on our same little world (until we manage to kill them off). _____________________
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10-11-2005 01:33
On Evolution: I see evolutionary proof around me every day. It's a natural process of species adaptation and survival. take the flu virus for instance. It changes and adapts to survive. Why can a chameleon change the color of it's skin? To surive. Why does a porcupine have quills? To survive. These things came about over millions of years. This is an interesting narrative. It falls completely short of any kind of recogniseable proof of Evolution theory though. Please see post 215. |
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10-11-2005 01:36
It's like I thought, you're all for the slagging off creation theory, but you can't come close to proving your own theories. I just want to know WHY it is so important to the creationalists to make us believe that their faerie tale is better than years of scientific knowledge. and yeah, maybe evolution ISN'T true but it's the best theory we have. If I am damned to hell for my denial of Christianity why add insult to injury to say I'm wrong on scientific theories? Why is it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important to deny evolution when you have faith? because you DONT have faith do you? you gotta pick apart science because you if you do your little faerie tale of creationalism and the Earth being 4000 years old and all that nonsence might seem more logical to you. I have faith that I am right and don't need to prove squat about evolution, open a text book on it, that's what I believe. It's incumbent upon you to try and sell your snake oil fantasy about god making dinosaur bones to confuse us or was that satan? because your theory is ludicrous and not based on anything except some books written hundreds of years ago back when people died of horrible diseases SCIENCE has since cured. _____________________
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10-11-2005 01:38
This is my point exactly. You proudly say "I denounce that creation theory rubbish". But really Evolution theory is just as much rubbish, until you can prove it. Your windy statement in the last post boils down to "Evolution theory is a story some men in white coats told me, that I choose to believe".
That's called faith, and I respect your faith in Evolution theory. Now respect my faith in creation theory. And if anyone wants to denounce creation theory additional to this post, I ask they prove Evolution theory first. Also my posts are general. They're not targeted at any one person. Post 215. Go there and bring me back the proofs ![]() |
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10-11-2005 01:39
This is an interesting narrative. It falls completely short of any kind of recogniseable proof of Evolution theory though. Please see post 215. I believe you missed post 196 where I pointed out an animal with the equivelant of a heart and abdominal muscle and no lungs. |
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10-11-2005 01:41
This is an interesting narrative. It falls completely short of any kind of recogniseable proof of Evolution theory though. Please see post 215. Well..it's far more proof than someone on a pulpit telling me so. And it's far more proof than anything that can be found in a book, collected together from various scrolls and tablets from differnt folks, and edited time and time again to make it somewhat cohesive, and changed and adapted to fit the times. Fossils, bones, physical evidence, and the study of animal and viral adaptation all provides far more solid evidence. It's not absolute proof, and I doubt there ever will be absolute proof. But I'll go with the odds. ![]() _____________________
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