question about graphics cards

i went and got one at target for $8 but can you belive that CVS only had wireless ones!!!!

well the reason why i think the floppy is wrong is because it doesent light up at all and yes both of my cd drives are ide how do i set it up to be one the master and the other the slave? is that in bios?

i orginally was thinking that the power supply may not be fastened compleatly to those drives because they dont respond to any button pushes and none of the lights come on

also i need help i now have pluged in the keyboard to the ps2 slot and it says press esc for boot menu and del for setup but no mater what key i press on the keyboard nothing happens

UPDATE: after looking around at my cd drive which i thought wasent working to see if the power was connected i found that it was not and upon turning that on the computer went straight into CMOS

and now im compleatly lost XD here is the guide i was using to build my computer and at this part he says to do alot of stuff that i have no clue what he is talking about

http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/step-18-configure-the-bios/

Fred Meyer grocery stores used to carry 'em, but now only carry USB. The PS/2 to USB adapters are device specific as far as I can tell, I've yet to see a keyboard work in a green (mouse) one or a mouse work in a purple (keyboard) one. As far as motherboards that still ship with USB turned off in the bios by default...why'd you accept delivery on that piece of shit? This isn't the 1990s...

Yeah.



I think I missed something along the lines. How is changing your hard drive arrangement going to fix your floppy? Two different drive chains. I suspect you might need to go grab a copy of Upgrading & Fixing PC's for Dummies or bribe your local geek to show you in person. It's a tad hard to work on the innards of the computer you're reading instructions from, after all.

more pics located at

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/nascarfan38124/

and in the other album i already posted called computer pics

alright i thought that only hardrives were supposed to be set up like that but i have two cd drives and one harddrive and the hard dirve is sata so that is directly connected to the mobo then my two cd drives are conneced by ribbon cable (1 cable) to the mobo and then when im in CMOS it reconizes only one of my cd drives but when i put in my os disk into that drive when i try to boot it doesent even read that there is anything in there

i also unplugged everything from the one its reading and only left in the other one at which point it then recognized that one and the same error happens when i try to boot the os disk saying that there is no bootable object there

also i dont have any mouse plugged in so it gives me an error for that but that shouldent change anything right?

after rereading the guide i found out that i dont have the audio plugged into cd drive but i now reset it up putting the one on channel select and left the other compleatly disconnected (and yes they were set up as master and slave before) and now im going to try this

Looks like you ended up with a pretty decent case there. I'm glad you didn't try to cram everything into that old one.

As for the booting problem, have you configured the CD drive to be the first boot device, in BIOS?

yes the problem is that when i try to boot from cd an error comes up saying that there is no bootable divice in that dirve

and now that i configured it this way it doesent detect the cd drive at all

Hmm. I'm not quite sure what to tell you there. Hopefully someone else will know what to do. Osgeld, you still reading?

nope i wasnt, since i started my new job i have to drive an hour in so i have a relitivley early bedtime now, just so happens i was in the shower

to the OP: if your still having problems i sent you my msn name in a private message, hop on there if you can and ill walk you tru it, shouldnt take too long

if you cant get on msn pop back here and let me know we will figure something out

test

Do me one favor, guys. If you do work through it over IM, please post a summary here of what the problem was, and what you did to fix it.

Thanks.

well i think we narrowed it down to his cd roms being funky

believe me we tried every single possibility, but we got bios setup, and checked every thing so once he can boot the stupid cd all should be ok

Thanks, Osgeld.

I just had an idea. When you guys "tried every single possibility" was Ultimate Boot CD on the list? The local repair guy I go to recommended it to me once when I was having a problem. It will boot your PC from any bootable device (CD, floppy, or USB stick), and help you diagnose any hardware problems you might have. Might be worth a try. http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

Show me a CPU sold without a heat sink and I'll show you a CPU you have no hope of getting manufacturer support for, or any hope of the manufacturer taking an RMA.

alright me and osgeld went through alot of troubleshooting and it seems that neither drive will run any boot cd and i think that the problem is with the drives not reading the disk for some reason so i am going to go back out and buy a new cd drive and try that instead

UPDATE:

the new sata drive works great and windows now boots and i have installed vista to the harddirve and wil be going through all of the driver installations when i get back for work

thanks for all of the help guys, chosen, osgeld (off the top of my head) and everyone else i may have forgot see you all inworld (soon XD)

Check out these links.

Systest
http://secondlife.com/support/systest.php

Graphics Cards
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Graphics_cards

AMD and Intel won't ship a CPU without a heat sink, OEM or otherwise. I used to work at an OEM in Portland and did the ordering. They just don't do it. VIA will, but I'm not sure anything on the Cyrix brand has enough oomph to pull off Second Life.

i ordered mine from newegg not amd or intel so mine came without a heatsink and i went out to a local electronics store and purchased one for my cpu

I'm really glad to hear it's up and running, VVolfgang. This thread has been a fun little adventure. Please do keep is informed of how things go from here.





Baloo, no offense, but you'd do well to do a little research before you post absolutes like "they just won't do it". It's possible that whatever middle man your former company dealt with didn't stock CPU's without cooling included, but that doesn't mean no one does. Here are just a few I found in the last few minutes, while I was writing this:


1. Newegg.com

Currently, Newegg sells 63 desktop CPU models, all from Intel and AMD. 43 of them come with heatsinks/fans, and 20 do not.

Want to know how I know that? It's actually a search filtering option on their site. In the CPU section, simply click Advanced Search, and right at the bottom, you'll see a pulldown box for cooling device options. The two choices are "Heatsink and Fan included" and "Cooling device not included - Processor Only". Right next to each, it tells you how many models they have in stock today.


2. CompUSA.com

If you go to CompUSA.com, and search for "A CPU cooling fan is not included with this CPU", you'll find no less than 25 pages of CPU's that do not come with cooling.


3. TigerDirect.com

Exact same offerings as CompUSA, from what I can tell.


4. Geeks.com

Geeks.com is a little harder to search through. But if you click on their (new) CPU's randomly, like I just did, it seems to be about 50/50. Half come with a heatsink/fan, and half don't.


The list goes on and on. Anyone who wants to buy a CPU without an included cooling device can do so pretty easily, and they all come with warranties.

thats how they sell them to the (real) OEM's (not bobs computer shack) thats because companies like hp, dell, apple, blah blah blah all have different engenering specs for their heatsink and air flow design

when i worked with a HP repair / refurb center, we would have X different model pc's but with the same spec cpu, now its insane for intel to make 5 or 10 different heatsinks for each company, so hp designed their own

maybe some of them were passive, with some duct work to a fat 90 or 120mm fan on the back, maybe some were active "standard issue" type, some like in most pizza boxes, that were designed for massive air flow tru ducts and a active cooling fan on top while the system is @ idol, allowing tiny units to fit into the specialized tiny cases

point is intel or and didnt care, they sent us batches of processors in plastic trays with stretch wrap on them, and thats how they always were, are and will be sent to OEM's

and yes they warranty them, no problem, doesnt matter if it came in a cardboard box with a fan or a plastic tray, they always look for the same things, #1 on the list is abuse, such as scorching, missing pins ect