Peggy Paperdoll
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05-18-2009 22:16
From: Osgeld Barmy your both right
altho I can not find anything substantial about silicon switching degradation over cycles, I did find a lovely paper describing the effects of strain on a single transistor gate IC (just multiply it by a billion)
which could be due to physical (heat sink too tight and warped?) or thermal
running the cpu at less than 100% saves on thermal, and modern systems also cut back on power
Also, it really is not necessary for SL to recalc the entire geometry and re-render the textures every frame in a mostly static scene, but SL does not operate that way atm
on the same token if the cpu is cooled properly then the only harm is to the planet... You can get OLD computers on ebay like the apple ][ e, fully operational decades after their life expectancy, and the technology has only gotten better since then Yay!!! Osgeld solved the whole mess!!! Great post............we all know the why's and why not's. Great job Osgeld I think? LOL
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Buster Sideshow
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Join date: 25 Aug 2008
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05-18-2009 23:05
From: Chosen Few You're not wrong to wonder that, now that I look back on it in retrospect. If you don't know the history, then Peggy's first two posts would seem benign. The most responsible thing for me to have done would have been to ignore the first one altogether. While I knew what she was trying to say, others like yourself, did not, and did not need to. With that in mind, I'll take full responsibility for the somewhat ugly direction this thread took after she showed up, and once again, I'll apologize for it. I should have left well enough alone.
I don't want to make excuses, but the fact that I've been sick and in pain with a tonsil infection for the past few days probably didn't help to keep my judgment sound. Sorry about that.
Since we are where we are in this thread, I can see how you would have gotten that impression of me. Let me try to clear a few things up.
First, I can assure you I don't give a damn about having the last word. There are plenty of good reasons to continue engagement a discussion or not, but simply wanting to the B in an AB sequence is not one of them. Why I, or anyone else, might ever care in the slightest about such a thing, I can't fathom. It's simply not something that would occur to me.
Seriously, it does seem an awfully silly thing for anyone to be concerned with, don't you think? If I'm mistaken, and there actually is a reason to care about speaking last, all I can say is it's lost on me. I have no idea what it might be.
When a simple difference of opinion seems irreconcilable, I'll often ask the other party to agree to disagree, just as I did here with Argent. If the other party agrees, that's the end of it, and then it is THEY, not I, who has the last word. But when the other party refuses, and wants to keep going, sometimes I'll continue, and sometimes I won't. Either way, the question of who's second in the sequence is not anything that ever crosses my mind. That's simply not how my mind works.
The reason I continued in this particular instance with Argent is that it happened to be an enjoyable debate. That's all. Argent is intelligent, well spoken, and formulates ideas well. Not that every discussion should be a debate, but if a debate is in progress, Argent is a fine opponent to have, not one I believe should just be dismissed. So, contrary to accusation, my own ego had little, if anything to do with it. It was all about having a good time with the debate. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
Also, for what it's worth, just to deal with the other accusation that's been thrown out (not by you, Buster), I don't have any desire to be right all the time. Just the opposite, I'm extremely glad I'm not. It would be one hell of a boring existence if I were. Whenever someone proves me wrong on ANYTHING, I always thank them for the correction. I just have a high standard of proof is all. I don't simply take someone's word for it when they say "I've been doing this 20 years, so I know I'm right, just because I said so."
If someone's factually correct, they should be prepared to prove it. If they're opining, they should admit that that's what they're doing. Some people, unfortunately, seem to be unwilling to do either, for reasons that escape me.
The bottom line is that things like verifiability, documentation, repeatable demonstration, etc., should never be a problem for anyone who is presenting an actual fact, rather than an opinion disguised as a fact. When such things are absent, I'll often call the presenter to task, and ask for them. If they can produce them, great. I'll happily thank them for it, especially if their information proves any of mine to be incorrect.
The whole point here is for us all to learn from each other.. In that respect I love being proven wrong. It's often the best way to learn. But as I said, my standard for what constitutes proof is high. "You're wrong because you're wrong" doesn't fly. Now, you can call that "needing the last word" if you really want to so grossly misinterpret it, but that's not at all what it's about.
That same philosophy applies to what happens when someone tries to twist my words. When somebody attempts to pretend I said something I didn't actually say, or tries to accuse me of being something I'm not, I don't sit idly by. I call them on it in no uncertain terms. As I see it, that's the only right thing to do. Again, if one is hell-bent on misinterpreting my intentions, one could pretend all one likes that I have some inexplicable need always to speak second. But that won't make it true.
Hopefully what I've said here makes some sense. It's not easy to self-analyze, let alone express such analyzation accurately with the written word. But I gave it my best shot. Either you'll get it or you won't.
Now, I'll ask one more time. Are we going to get back on topic here or not? If the answer is no, then I promise you'll have the last word, because there will be no point in my continued presence here. that was a really long last word
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Yevad Doobie
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05-19-2009 16:09
From: Katheryne Helendale Holy Hell, what a thread! Let me throw my own two cents down on the table, and then I'll gracefully exit: I have personally observed the SLVoice gobbling up an inordinate number of CPU cycles - at least on the Linux client - and I have no reason to believe the Windows binary would be any different. If you are not using voice, particularly if you are standing alone on a sim, try disabling voice. Your CPU will thank you. ETA: Chosen Few: I have been an electronics technician for over twenty years, so I can vouch for Argent's statement. Thermal stress is the leading cause of failure of solid-state and semiconductor components. Frequent hot-and-cold cycles will cause electronic components to degrade and burn out in much the same way as frequently turning an incandescent light bulb on and off will shorten its life. It is simple physics at work here. Oh yeah...I used to turn off voice for the same reason...much better performance while driving...tyvm for reminding me  ...and yeah...thermal stress.
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Yevad Doobie
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05-19-2009 16:18
From: Peggy Paperdoll And, just to get this off my chest, Mr Few. My main problem with you is your "little man with a big ego" thing. You insist you are absolutely correct on almost everything. Even when people with much more expertise than you differ.......you will not back down. You absolutely must have the last word. Often you make a complete fool of yourself doing so. Yet, you think it's perfectly okay to suggest I have some compulsive disorder.......of which you are absolutely out of line in your not so vaguely disquised contempt for me. You also are so wrong in your assessment it would be funny.........except it pisses me off. Your screen name does reveal a huge amount of information about you personally.........and you don't even know that.
Then to toss out a not so vague accusation of photo manipulation (remember I'm the only one who posted a link to a screenshot so far.........I know, and so does everyone else, who that little poke was directed at. Just like in a court of law...............a lawyer throws out some off the wall comment knowing it is wrong and immediately retracts it. The "damage" was done at the very uttering of the accusation. You know it. You did knowing it. You did it on purpose. And your retraction immediately following shows just how contemptuous you are of the readers of anything you say.
Thank you for finally showing your ass to the world. 
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Yevad Doobie
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05-19-2009 16:21
From: Chosen Few Now, I'll ask you the same question I asked Peggy. Do you have anything further on topic to add to this thread or are you simply here to join her on her quest to throw insults at me?
Is there a group I can join for this?
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