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Should LL Participate in Resident Abuse?

Cristiano Midnight
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12-17-2005 15:06
From: Cocoanut Koala
I just now realized you said this!

You mean that since I live on Azure Islands, I couldn't have you visit me if I wanted to? I'm sure Nexus and Adam didn't mean this.

I will ask them about this, as it violates my rights as a resident there. I hope this is not the case, or will not continue to be the case, as I very much enjoy living on Azure Islands, enjoy my relationships with Nexus and Adam, who have been wonderful, and love what they have done with the area.

coco

P.S. I am wondering who else is banned from Azure Islands! That can't be right. I can ban people on my own land, and I'm certain Adam and Nexus can't ban people from visiting me. (Especially now that we have P2P.)


You do not own the plot of land, Adam/Nexus does. They are fully within their rights to ban whomever they choose. If you want full control of land, buy it, as they did. Your sense of "rights" and entitlement is rather skewed.
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12-17-2005 15:07
From: Cristiano Midnight
You do not own the plot of land, Adam/Nexus does. They are fully within their rights to ban whomever they choose. If you want full control of land, buy it, as they did. Your sense of "rights" and entitlement is rather skewed.

You may think they are skewed, Cristiano, but I don't believe you live there. I will ask Adam and Nexus about this, thank you very much.

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12-17-2005 15:10
From: Kris Ritter
Woohoo! New dramah deserves a new thread! *grabs pitchfork* ooooh Adaaaaam!

Edit: Lemme get my opinion out the way now. They can ban who the hell they like from the sim they pay LL for, no matter who their tenants. And you are, I'm very sure, free to leave whenever you like.

Thank you for your invitation for me to leave a place I have been very happy in.

However, I don't think you are either Adam or Nexus.

And as long as we are talking about what THEY CAN DO, let me point out that they can also DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT, taking their land with them.

I trust, of course, they will not do such a thing, and have trusted them totally in that regard since the day I first met them on their first plots on Meins.

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12-17-2005 15:12
From: Cocoanut Koala
Thank you for your invitation for me to leave a place I have been very happy in.

However, I don't think you are either Adam or Nexus.

And as long as we are talking about what THEY CAN DO, let me point out that they can also DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT, taking their land with them.

I trust, of course, they will not do such a thing, and have trusted them totally in that regard since the day I first met them on their first plots on Meins.

coco


Yes. And I was just pointing out that you have a number of choices. You can either accept it, you can kick up a huge public fuss about it, or you can leave because you don't like it.

I know which my money is on though.
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12-17-2005 15:19
From: Kris Ritter
Yes. And I was just pointing out that you have a number of choices. You can either accept it, you can kick up a huge public fuss about it, or you can leave because you don't like it.

I know which my money is on though.

And yet another person advising me on my options. And this time, someone who no longer even plays the game, as far as I'm aware.

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12-17-2005 15:22
From: Cocoanut Koala
And yet another person advising me on my options. And this time, someone who no longer even plays the game, as far as I'm aware.

coco


problem with that? you never seem to be short of opinions on how other people's ethics, morality and gameplay should be.
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12-17-2005 15:39
From: Cocoanut Koala
I just now realized you said this!

You mean that since I live on Azure Islands, I couldn't have you visit me if I wanted to?


It also means that you are participating in the abuse of Hank by being a resident on lands he is banned from, as per this thread's definition of 'participation'

You should be ashamed of yourself. :(
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12-17-2005 15:47
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-17-2005 15:58
From: Cocoanut Koala
And yet another person advising me on my options. And this time, someone who no longer even plays the game, as far as I'm aware.

coco


Ah, so because she is no longer in SL regularly, her opinion is not valid? Nice, Cocoanut. She is absolutely right, and that is the part that gets you. Adam and Nexus own the land. They can choose to ban whomever they want to, well within the rights Linden Lab grants them. As a renter, you have zero rights as guaranteed by LL. Adam and Nexus could close down the islands tomorrow and owe no one anything - the same with Anshe. Whether or not Adam and Nexus choose to ban someone from THEIR LAND is up to their sole discretion, no matter what you have to say about it. You do not get to dictate LInden Lab's business or policies, nor do you get to dictate what Adam and Nexus can or cannot do. The only power you have is to find land elsewhere if you are unhappy with the fact that Hank has been banned from their land (I repeat THEIR LAND, not yours). You do not own the land, you are a renter. What part of that is so difficult for you to comprehend?
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-17-2005 16:00
From: Cocoanut Koala
You may think they are skewed, Cristiano, but I don't believe you live there. I will ask Adam and Nexus about this, thank you very much.

coco


I don't have to live on a private island to know what the OWNER OF THE ISLAND's rights are as determined by Linden Lab. They are the same for all land owners - you have the ability to deny access to anyone you choose for any reason. You being a resident of Azure Islands does not grant you any rights as recognized by Linden Lab. To them, their customer is Adam/Nexus, and they have the final say on the land they are paying the tier on, not you or anyone else renting from them.
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12-17-2005 16:01
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12-17-2005 18:27
Is this thread serving any useful purpose any longer?

Perhaps it is time to ask the moderator to close it?

The idea of dropping old business and moving on to new matters has been mentioned in this thread, perhaps this concept should be applied to this thread as well?
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This thread has outlived its dubious usefulness and as such is being closed.
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12-17-2005 19:38
I'm amazed it's been up this long.

Maybe Jeska has the flu.

Get well soon, Jeska. :)
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12-17-2005 19:44
From: Cocoanut Koala
You know I get sick and tired of condescending people on these forums treating others like they are imbeciles. coco


Translation: The long-suffering people are tired of putting up with imbeciles.
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12-17-2005 20:18
From: Surreal Farber
Translation: The long-suffering people are tired of putting up with imbeciles.

You know, Surreal, I don't really know you. I don't know you in game, and I don't have any particular negative impression of you on the forums, though admittedly I may have missed something. Seems to me I have agreed with a lot of things you have said, though. I think I may have seen something neat you made. I don't know who you hang out with, or anything.

Why people try so hard to make other residents dislike them remains a mystery to me. Maybe it's just that famous internet equation. But I really don't know why someone like you - who I don't even know - would go to such trouble to show up on my radar screen primarily for saying rotten things to me.

I myself wouldn't go to such lengths to make sure you knew what a low opinion I had of you, even if I had such a one. Why do you? And why do so many others? Don't you ever worry about your karma? Doesn't it occur to you that someday it might be a good thing if we were friends?

Why burn bridges with people you don't know this way? And why go out of your way to do it? Why make enemies where you don't have to? Do you have friends to impress or something? Or do you just like to express negative things to people on the internet, such as repeatedly calling them pigs? I am curious.

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12-17-2005 20:37
From: Cocoanut Koala
I myself wouldn't go to such lengths to make sure you knew what a low opinion I had of you, even if I had such a one. Why do you? And why do so many others?

why do so many people have problems with you? Hmm maybe that should be a poll thread. But all I can offer up as an explaination is that maybe you work hard to earn it. seriously I see so many people from so many different social circles that don't really talk to one another. And, guess what, they all have problems with you. I guess the common thread here is you.

From: someone
Doesn't it occur to you that someday it might be a good thing if we were friends?

thankfully, no. Judging from your posts in the forums I am quite pleased to say I have nothing in common with you.

I'm sure Surreal feels the same way.
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12-17-2005 20:38
From: Ashen Stygian
why do so many people have problems with you? Hmm maybe that should be a poll thread. But all I can offer up as an explaination is that maybe you work hard to earn it. seriously I see so many people from so many different social circles that don't really talk to one another. And, guess what, they all have problems with you. I guess the common thread here is you.


thankfully, no. Judging from your posts in the forums I am quite pleased to say I have nothing in common with you.

I'm sure Surreal feels the same way.

OK, fine then.

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12-17-2005 20:44
From: Cocoanut Koala
You know, Surreal, I don't really know you. I don't know you in game, and I don't have any particular negative impression of you on the forums, though admittedly I may have missed something. Seems to me I have agreed with a lot of things you have said, though. I think I may have seen something neat you made. I don't know who you hang out with, or anything.

Why people try so hard to make other residents dislike them remains a mystery to me. Maybe it's just that famous internet equation. But I really don't know why someone like you - who I don't even know - would go to such trouble to show up on my radar screen primarily for saying rotten things to me.

I myself wouldn't go to such lengths to make sure you knew what a low opinion I had of you, even if I had such a one. Why do you? And why do so many others? Don't you ever worry about your karma? Doesn't it occur to you that someday it might be a good thing if we were friends?

Why burn bridges with people you don't know this way? And why go out of your way to do it? Why make enemies where you don't have to? Do you have friends to impress or something? Or do you just like to express negative things to people on the internet, such as repeatedly calling them pigs? I am curious.

coco


You asked, and I am well known for speaking my mind without any bullshit when asked.

Bottom line. I find you irritating and ignorant. I think you post to hear yourself talk. I don't care if you like me or not. I don't want to be your friend and I don't want to know you in world. If we were having this discussion face to face in real life, I would tell you exactly the same thing.

Numerous people in the forums have tried with a varying degree of patience to interject some reality into your monologs. I have tried to address your ideas but they have little substance and you waffle back and forth. I think your mind is shut like a trap.. and I for one have run out of patience.

There are many people here who have ideas that I disagree with but I am willing to stay engaged because they reason well or provoke thought. You do neither. For example, Ulrika drives me batty, but she is smart and often insightful. Prokovy used to make me foam at the mouth, however, she often had excellent ideas. It was a shame her delivery obscured her message.

Ironically I hosted the Tinies Expo, the free market that was done in Chaos several months ago. I knew who you were when you contacted me and asked for space. I had already seen your forum postings then and based on the things that you had said knew I didn't want to associate with you, but I behaved in a professional manner and made sure you had the space. It's my sim and I could have blown you off, or told you to go take a hike. You might consider that I am not the only person who has had their opinion fully formed of you before you've ever heard any feedback.

I prefer to deal with ideas in the forums rather than persons. You make it very difficult.
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12-17-2005 20:46
ROFL.. Jeska's gonna kill us!! I feel like we should declare a drama and strife moratorium over christmas or something so she can get a rest --- that and send her a big bottle of rum. :D
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12-17-2005 20:50
Coco, you really gotta let me know, why don't you just put these trolls on ignore like everyone else does?
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12-17-2005 20:53
From: blaze Spinnaker
Coco, you really gotta let me know, why don't you just put these trolls on ignore like everyone else does?


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12-17-2005 20:57
From: blaze Spinnaker
Coco, you really gotta let me know, why don't you just put these trolls on ignore like everyone else does?


Why is it that you bristle at being referred to as a troll and cry foul, yet you do the same?
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12-17-2005 21:01
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12-17-2005 21:01
From: Cristiano Midnight
Why is it that you bristle at being referred to as a troll and cry foul, yet you do the same?


Because the truth can hurt?
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