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Harrassment on 3rd party forums and the law

Crush Gable
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08-30-2006 14:27
I started to sign up on a forum now that they are all popping up. Some I can read before signing up. I see some ppl saying bad thing about other people and businesses in world (SL). It doesn't look like anybody is defense of these people and they are not knowing about it I guesss to say anything back or maybe they just are ignoring them.

Anyway, LL does not have anything to do with these forums right? So if someone says something bad about someone else (like a friend of mine he said his avatar name was signed up on a forum and it wasn't even him) then what are the mods doing about it? Is this typical? It seems like opening a can o worms to me.

I did some research on this here:
http://police.albany.edu/CompHar.asp (New York where I am)
http://cybercrimes.net/99MSCCC/MSCCC/Article2/2.02.2.html (California where LL is)

Not sure which would apply in any case. Since the 3rd party forums may not be in CA or in NY, I guess it would be in the state that the victim resides in since you'd have to report it to police right?

If there are laws that hold persons accountable for online harrassment, are the forums going to observe them or allow the members to continue doing it?

What do you think?
Lordfly Digeridoo
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08-30-2006 14:28
Online harassment cases go nowhere. It takes a lot of time to even properly identify the person behind the keyboard, much less proving that it was them, from that ip block, posting at that time against you.

Besides, we're all anonymous, right?
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-30-2006 14:29
Oh lord. This won't go well.
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Lost Newcomb
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08-30-2006 14:30
Call your local FBI fed building, they might be able to help you.
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Lorelei Patel
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08-30-2006 14:31
From: Crush Gable
What do you think?


Murder, assault, embezzlement, forgery, speeding, jaywalking ... all are more important things for the police and judicial system to pursue.
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Thorne Kaiser
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08-30-2006 14:31
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Besides, we're all anonymous, right?
Sure, until a judge has LL subpeonead (spelling :confused: ) to get your info and have your served. LOL Not saying it's a good thing or agreeing, just telling it like it is.

And you are right Joshua, this will not go well
Corona Lime
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08-30-2006 14:32
Don't patronize forums that let people be treated like that. Seek out a mature atmosphere.

Other than that, unfortunatly not much can be done IMO.
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Crush Gable
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08-30-2006 14:33
From: Lorelei Patel
Murder, assault, embezzlement, forgery, speeding, jaywalking ... all are more important things for the police and judicial system to pursue.
It doesn't mean that just because some crimes are more important than others that it's ok to commit them now does it? If the court did not want to deal with it...it would not be a law.
Crush Gable
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08-30-2006 14:34
From: Corona Lime
Don't patronize forums that let people be treated like that. Seek out a mature atmosphere.
Are there any?
Lorelei Patel
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08-30-2006 14:35
From: Crush Gable
It doesn't mean that just because some crimes are more important than others that it's ok to commit them now does it? If the court did not want to deal with it...it would not be a law.


Oh, you're absolutely right. The court system is already overloaded, but we should push back the murder trial another week so your friend can clear his make-believe name over some two-bit message board that only 50 people have ever heard of.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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08-30-2006 14:35
From: Thorne Kaiser
Sure, until a judge has LL subpeonead (spelling :confused: ) to get your info and have your served. LOL Not saying it's a good thing or agreeing, just telling it like it is.

And you are right Joshua, this will not go well


Come on, what judge is going to let an anonymous hazing get into his courtroom?
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Crush Gable
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08-30-2006 14:36
From: Lorelei Patel
Oh, you're absolutely right. The court system is already overloaded, but we should push back the murder trial another week so your friend can clear his make-believe name over some two-bit message board that only 50 people have ever heard of.
Thanks for putting those words in my mouth. They tasted great! Yum!
Finning Widget
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08-30-2006 14:36
Linden Labs has nothing to do with third-party forums, and as such, will do nothing nor will they help you if you have an issue with someone on a third-party forum, except where required by law - this is not legal advice, i am not a lawyer. This is my opinion. I think you will find it useful and pragmatic.

There are laws that protect people from harassment, yet how they define 'harassment' may be different than how you define it, and it may need to be substantial harassment with a clear case to pursue before a justice department engages.
Lorelei Patel
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08-30-2006 14:39
From: Crush Gable
Thanks for putting those words in my mouth. They tasted great! Yum!


Ask a meaningful question and maybe you'd get a meaningful response.
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Thorne Kaiser
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08-30-2006 14:40
From: Finning Widget
Linden Labs has nothing to do with third-party forums, and as such, will do nothing nor will they help you if you have an issue with someone on a third-party forum, except where required by law - this is not legal advice, i am not a lawyer. This is my opinion. I think you will find it useful and pragmatic.

There are laws that protect people from harassment, yet how they define 'harassment' may be different than how you define it, and it may need to be substantial harassment with a clear case to pursue before a justice department engages.
If a court subpeonas LL - they have no choice but to fork over your name. That's a fact.

If you read the post and the 2nd link for CA (where I live too) it defines harrassment clearly. So personally, if I were his/her friend I would look to the law books for how "harrassment" is defined and go from there. Maybe it's not harrassment according to the law depending on whatever was posted about him. Then again, maybe it is.
Corona Lime
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08-30-2006 14:40
From: Crush Gable
Are there any?


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Wildefire Walcott
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08-30-2006 14:41
From: Crush Gable
What do you think?

I think that people say bad things about other places and people all the time. Why folks get so upset when someone talks negatively on a message board versus all other forms of communication, I'll never understand.
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08-30-2006 14:44
From: Corona Lime
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Yes please, I'd like one. Thank you very much :) I know 3 others in-world that *might* like one. I'll IM your post link :)
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08-30-2006 14:46
From: Crush Gable
Yes please, I'd like one. Thank you very much :) I know 3 others in-world that *might* like one. I'll IM your post link :)


Just IM or PM me the email addys and I'll get them out ASAP.
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08-30-2006 14:46
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Thanks for inviting me for my conversion to Project Entropia, now I feel I could kill people without being called a griefer...
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08-30-2006 14:47
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Thanks for inviting me for my conversion to Project Entropia, now I feel I could kill people without being called a griefer...


That is a confusing sentence. What are you trying to say?
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Lorelei Patel
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08-30-2006 14:51
From: Thorne Kaiser
So personally, if I were his/her friend I would look to the law books for how "harrassment" is defined and go from there. Maybe it's not harrassment according to the law depending on whatever was posted about him. Then again, maybe it is.


While they are at it, they could look up "frivolous lawsuit."
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08-30-2006 14:51
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That is a confusing sentence. What are you trying to say?


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08-30-2006 14:54
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Elite squadron of drones tried to arrest me and ex-communicate me, I was quick on my trigger and sent them to silicon heaven. But then I looked up and the sky was dark and the light was gone, I said to myself... Lost.. what have you become?


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Thorne Kaiser
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08-30-2006 15:38
From: Lorelei Patel
While they are at it, they could look up "frivolous lawsuit."
Usually what someone claims when they are wrong and have no defense..otherwise they'd shut up, prepare a case, and quit cryin'!!! (haha I got that from my brother who is a lawyer..gotta love those lawyers....when they win a case for you anyway)
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