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Would you like to see or live in a planned community?

Martin Magpie
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10-06-2005 19:58
After flying around sl for the past few weeks and seeings a mis mash of builds, malls and clubs littering the land scape. One question kept coming to mind;

Do you want more planned communities on the mainland?

this is not a public poll.
ReallyRick Metropolitan
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10-06-2005 20:01
I thought Miss Chung already provided this type of living in her sims. Also are there not a few zoned communities on the mainland? Like in Brown I think.

I live in a zoned community and I enjoy it very much. I just moved to it and I am finding myself spending more and more time at home than I ever have since I joined.
Martin Magpie
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10-06-2005 20:03
True. Thanks for bringing that to my attention I will make the changes now:

To be more specific, "more" planned communities on the mainland.
blaze Spinnaker
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10-06-2005 20:03
I'm in a zoned sim and there is absolutely no way in heck you'd find me on the mainland.
Nolan Nash
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10-06-2005 20:12
I live in two.

One is forced zoning (off main grid), and the other is voluntarily zoned by a good sized handful of the larger land holders in that sim (on main grid). I wish more main gridders would take it upon themselves to informally zone. I flew around the other day too, and it isn't very attractive, I have to agree with Martin.
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Captain Barmy
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10-06-2005 20:14
Would I like to see more planned communities? Yes.
Would I like to live in a planned community? No.

I really enjoy the wild, untamed snow deserts of the south. ;D
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10-06-2005 20:18
I voted yes.

I'd like to have my house in a place where there area good number of neighbors, but no tacky crap. ;-)
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crucial Armitage
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10-06-2005 20:42
i think the idea of a zoned community is a great idea. so much so i have purchased my own island and am renting out parcels of land. its a beautiful residential community.
and i think this will be the choice of many in the future especially the non premium accounts and people who are tired of all the lag and crap you can find on the main land.
it can also be very economical for the renters like one of the groups on my island thye pay the tier for the 1/4 sim there renting but they all contributed to the single payment they paid me. increasing how much land they could own and save them a bundle cause they get the higher tier rate and did not have to lay out 200 -300 or more us dollars to buy the land witch is what it would of cost them to buy it if they bought similar land on the main land.

zoned communities on the main land would be a hard thing to achieve. the lindens don't like to get in to peoples affairs.
and since all new main land land is bought and then resold by residents most of it for profit by the big land dealers. i don't see this happening on the main land with out some kind of intervention by the lindens. and that is very unlikely.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-06-2005 20:47
See a planned community created exactly for the reasons you said: http://www.Neualtenburg.org

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Jonquille Noir
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10-06-2005 20:53
No. I like the variety and diversity. I'm not much of a joiner I guess.
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10-06-2005 21:10
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Yuriko Muromachi
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10-06-2005 21:28
I used to live in an island community. I liked it since it had its residential area, a market place/area, library, a town hall and other amenities, it pretty much resembled a small village! The residents feel more like residents, and the place feels more alive and real. It wasn't a mish-mash of horrible buildings with no theme, it was an actual living, breathing living space (without the RL problems).


Plus the house came free and i was given a generous amount of prims allowable in my little 'flat'. Of course, not anyone can just live there, there was a citizen application that came with it. ^^;;

Unfortunately, the culture wasn't exactly something I found....agreeable. But nothing is perfect after all. Plus, I live 12 hours difference with mostly everyone else, so I never had to deal with it too much.
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10-07-2005 04:12
I have my homebase in the wild mainland and wouldn't want to have it any other way. Yes, it means having semi-ugly builds next door, but it also means freedom to build and set up whatever I like without minding anyone's aesthetic sensibilities or zoning "laws".

As to the existing zoned communities - there are a few I really like to visit, and many more that remind me too much of RL suburbia. So far, none caught my interest enough that I would have considered setting up home there.
Alain Talamasca
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10-07-2005 04:53
It would depend very heavily on the type of control in the zoning...

to have an area that is zoned "Residential only" would be fine...
Or to have strict controls on the proportion of residentail to commercial would be ok too...

To have an encouraged theme would be OK, as long as the local community freely provides all of its members with the necessary textures and/or models to adhere to the theme...

To have a rock-hard "This is the way we do things and this is the house you will use and you must have flat grass in your lawn because we are trying to re-create Stepford" kind of community... No WAY! Of course, I would wonder why I bought land in such a community in the first place....


I live in a mostly residential sim (Sabulella) The few commercial properties there are tasteful and fit in well with the neighbors. The whole place feels a lot like South Florida.

I also own a shop in Cass, which is a very mixed zone. THe part I am in is about 300 meters from the telehub. I do my best to provide a decent view for my neighbors, and there are shops in that sim that are more... how to put it? "Virtual shopp-y" than I am... (My building is 90% enclosed... )

Both areas appeal to me...
The one with the unspoken agreement that there is a kind of theme (Though there are a few detractors), and the one where the residences are mostly prefab, with the businesses spread out a little...

Both
Dnate Mars
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10-07-2005 05:21
From: Martin Magpie
After flying around sl for the past few weeks and seeings a mis mash of builds, malls and clubs littering the land scape. One question kept coming to mind;

Do you want more planned communities on the mainland?

this is not a public poll.


I voted no. I think the current system is set up perfectly. If I want to live in the wild west of the maingrid, I can. If I want to live in a nice suburb, I can seek out an island that suits my needs. If other want to set up zoned sims in the main grid, which can be easily done now, I would all for it, just don't force your zoning on me.
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10-07-2005 06:23
I live in Boardman, a Linden zoned sim on the mainland near Ahern with some good friends. Despite the fact that there's a market there, The FPS is super; probably one of the biggest benefits of zoning. It's nice not to have to battle lag when I'm making something.
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10-07-2005 06:45
I love zoning, and think it will be the wave of the future, and we'll just see more and more of it. Right now there's probably not enough.

But I would hope that there will always be unzoned areas, and I think there will be. Both types of places have their charms, advantages, and disadvantages.

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Doc Nielsen
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10-07-2005 06:59
I have what amounts to a zoned sim on the mainland, down in the SE. The entire sim (and the surrounding sims too) is carefully set up to provide good performance, it looks good and has a wonderful atmosphere.

However stuff like this doesn't come cheap and people take some convincing that the rent's worthwhile. Having said that it's now slowly filling up, so maybe the concept is valid.

It also proves it's perfectly possible to have a really nice home in a fast sim on the mainland. A big advantage is that, unlike an island sim, you can explore the surrounding areas and, if water sports are your thing, make use of the adjacent void sims - something you can't do on island sims.
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Khamon Fate
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10-07-2005 07:05
I voted yes more for the planning than the zoning. Being architecture's worst nightmare, I need someone to build infrastructure and housing and such so I can just putter around and landscape it all.

The timesharing restrictions under 1.7 ought to make the sims operate quickly with any number of poorly designed scripts attempting to overrun the processors. The only zoning necessary at that point will be actual content and possibly height or thematic stuff.
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Ghoti Nyak
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10-07-2005 07:07
I prefer freedom on the mainland. Zoning is fine for private sims.

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Cocoanut Koala
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10-07-2005 07:10
What do you mean, time-sharing restrictions?

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Jesrad Seraph
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10-07-2005 07:25
I think it relates to the script VM scheduler improvements in SL v1.7, which means the scripts are not executing as fast as they can (eating up all available CPU) but rather executing at a fixed fps (45) all the time. When all CPU is consumed at this rate the scheduler eases the load by skipping some scripts at each tick.
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10-07-2005 07:36
OK, well that sounds good.

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10-07-2005 07:55
From: Ghoti Nyak
I prefer freedom on the mainland. Zoning is fine for private sims.

-Ghoti

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Yup. I love my property in the wilds and I love my rental unit. Zoning is possible now and these types of communities are available. Nothing else need be done, excepting privateers meeting demand by setting up more zoned islands as the market warrants.
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Margaret Mfume
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10-07-2005 09:05
From: Doc Nielsen
I have what amounts to a zoned sim on the mainland, down in the SE. The entire sim (and the surrounding sims too) is carefully set up to provide good performance, it looks good and has a wonderful atmosphere.

However stuff like this doesn't come cheap and people take some convincing that the rent's worthwhile. Having said that it's now slowly filling up, so maybe the concept is valid.

It also proves it's perfectly possible to have a really nice home in a fast sim on the mainland. A big advantage is that, unlike an island sim, you can explore the surrounding areas and, if water sports are your thing, make use of the adjacent void sims - something you can't do on island sims.

As I have land in a neighboring sim, I benefit from the effort and patience exhibited by both you and Prok in the development of this area. It was very cool to log on the other day just in time to watch you and a regatta of sailboats racing past. The feeling of expansiveness & continuity found in these sims adjacent to the water void sims cannot be duplicated in a private island scenario. An individual private island feels like a playpen to me, especially if you are using any type of vehicle there, with its isolation and disconnectedness from the mainland.

Without going into detail, I believe the commercial realm would benefit from existing close proximity to each other. A large part of the find and advertising issues would be addressed of content creators would work togther with each other and land dealers to create areas of the grid known for it's content. Similar to the furniture district in North Carolina, if I were a creator of prefab homes and home contents, I'd be looking to set up shop near the Purple sim and its Home Depot like complex. Owners of clubs, *ingo events, and games conglomerating in adjacent sims and working together (even with the competition!) to create known entertainment districts. We have the sims to isolate the shooters; what's the big deal with labeling other areas as well?

Basic zoning designations would need to enabled by LL similar to the pg/mature ratings for residential and commercial as well as free style. SL is certainly big enough to allow for all three to coexist. Beyond providing the identifiers, LL should not be expected to manage or otherwise babysit this. They have made it clear they will not do that but are willing to support member based initiatives. This means you have to do the work yourself to establish a network of like minded individuals. It also would also help if we could get past the evil land baron image and try to view and utilize land dealers for their ability to provide the startup funds and their land management skills. Either that or come up with the cash and do it your self.

Just some possibilites for the mainland as private gated communities in private islands meet the residential needs of many already.
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