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SuezanneC Baskerville
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06-02-2006 22:17
From: Eggy Lippmann
Now all of a sudden people come IMing me, saying that I had been a GUINEA PIG and that this was all an experiment on THEM, to see how they would react under pressure, as part of some wacko psychological research somehow vaguely related to Ulrika's RL alt being a professor or part of some new age clinic or something.
"All of a sudden"?

Surely people were IMing you and saying that stuff back in Beta, weren't they?
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Selador Cellardoor
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06-03-2006 03:20
From: Surreal Farber


That was Coco to Enabran in this post:
/108/ca/101645/5.html#post997967/108/ca/101645/5.html#post997967

You participated in that thread too, so I am really confused.





Surreal,

I felt that Coco's comment was entirely justified. She is unable to post without an unpleasant comment from Enabran. Indeed, looking at the number of her postings which immediately gather a response from Enabran, one wonders whether he is hovering round the forums all the time just waiting for her to post. My own feeling is that she would be entirely justified in making a complaint of forum stalking. I think it's to her credit that, so far as I know, she hasn't done so.

So a momentary exasperation was, in my opinion, quite justified under the circumstances.

PS: Apologies for discussing Enabran while he is not present, but the comment above seemed to call for an explanation.
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06-03-2006 05:06
You said you were being harrassed on this 'person's' forums. If you don't bother reading them then you can't be harrassed. Am I right?
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06-03-2006 07:10
From: Cocoanut Cookie
First off, you don't know that that is what got me suspended. And if it was that, look at what Enabran called me that caused me to paraphrase his words back at him. First he said:

“Man, nothing like some shrill, self-righteous donkey braying to make my afternoon complete.”

Then he went on to say:

“Everyone needs hobbies, man. Nature abhors a vacuum, all that stuff. It's very instructive, in fact. I'll just remember that if I ever have kids, I gotta start filling the vacuum before empty nest time starts kicking in. This whole "Spend Your Day Nannying, Harassing and Braying at People Who You'll Never Meet" plan doesn't really pass muster as worthwhile activity for those twilight years.”

That is not the first time he has said such things to me, which I had in the past ignored.

Then, when I finally responded with my paraphrase, he bragged about finally getting to me:

“Bahahahaha.
”It took me about... 10 months to accomplish that goal. But the results are so, so, so sweet.
”Kids, when you have a goal, stick to it. Reach for the stars. With enough work, you too can accomplish anything you want.
”Thank you, Cocoanut.”


You'll notice nothing happened to him. It is a fact that some people can say whatever they want and nothing ever happens to them, regardless of abuse reports, and my saying that - regarding another poster - is probably what got me suspended.

I said so, and I got suspended. Admittedly, I was a bit short-tempered or something, not quite my right self, to be so outspoken in pointing out that the emperor has no pants, but my mother had died the previous week, and I wasn't my usual very careful self.

coco



I'm talking to Diane here about her comment. She says you were suspended 1 week for nothing, and that no one else ever is. It was for 3 days according to you, and the posts are there for anyone to read and make their own judgement. As for everyone else, well we don't know what happens to anyone else unless they say something .... or like Prok they are perma-banned.

I posted the whole thread for anyone who wants to read all of it an draw their own conclusions. I recommend also reading the related SLUniverse thread if you want to get a true sense of what happened, and you have a high tolerance for drama.

Hopefully this thread can avoid being derailed too.
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06-03-2006 07:17
From: Selador Cellardoor
Surreal,

I felt that Coco's comment was entirely justified. She is unable to post without an unpleasant comment from Enabran. Indeed, looking at the number of her postings which immediately gather a response from Enabran, one wonders whether he is hovering round the forums all the time just waiting for her to post. My own feeling is that she would be entirely justified in making a complaint of forum stalking. I think it's to her credit that, so far as I know, she hasn't done so.

So a momentary exasperation was, in my opinion, quite justified under the circumstances.

PS: Apologies for discussing Enabran while he is not present, but the comment above seemed to call for an explanation.


Violating the TOS because you feel someone else violated the TOS... To go all grammar school, two wrongs do not make a right. You've stated your opinion. The Linden's stated their opinion with a suspension. Anyone else can read the whole thread, do a search for other posts and develop their own opinion.

Oh... and we don't know if anything did or did not happen to Enabran.

Now, I was responding to Diane's comments specifically since she used that incident with Coco as part of her argument. I'm not interesting in rehashing it here as it would be a disservice to Diane to hijack her thread over what is only a footnote.
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06-03-2006 07:20
I am just waiting for the N-Berger sim to go for sale. I will gladly buy it and convert it into a 'Hot Lesbians with guns' sim.
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06-03-2006 07:22
From: Selador Cellardoor
Surreal,

I felt that Coco's comment was entirely justified. She is unable to post without an unpleasant comment from Enabran. Indeed, looking at the number of her postings which immediately gather a response from Enabran, one wonders whether he is hovering round the forums all the time just waiting for her to post. My own feeling is that she would be entirely justified in making a complaint of forum stalking. I think it's to her credit that, so far as I know, she hasn't done so.

So a momentary exasperation was, in my opinion, quite justified under the circumstances.

PS: Apologies for discussing Enabran while he is not present, but the comment above seemed to call for an explanation.


hehe thats ironic - because thats exactly how I feel about her (coco) running around after me on the forums - and I am *that other person*

That whole 'do unto others' rule might be applicable.
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06-03-2006 07:37
From: Surreal Farber
I'm talking to Diane here about her comment. She says you were suspended 1 week for nothing, and that no one else ever is. It was for 3 days according to you, and the posts are there for anyone to read and make their own judgement. As for everyone else, well we don't know what happens to anyone else unless they say something .... or like Prok they are perma-banned.

I posted the whole thread for anyone who wants to read all of it an draw their own conclusions. I recommend also reading the related SLUniverse thread if you want to get a true sense of what happened, and you have a high tolerance for drama.

Hopefully this thread can avoid being derailed too.

Kindly do not lecture me about who you are talking to or take that condescending tone with me as if I have no right to speak up here.

If you get to comment on her comment, THEN SO THE HELL DO I.

You'll notice that I didn't, untill you did.

coco

P.S. And Siggy - as someone who has deliberately harassed and stalked me for a year with my quotes out of context in his signature - not to mention calling me names - you have a hell of a lot of gall to accuse me of harrassing and stalking you.

I really would like to have zero to do with you and normally would, if you didn't keep begging for my attention this way.
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06-03-2006 07:38
Diane,

My apologies for the near derailment. I do understand a lot of your frustration with the person-who-is-not-named, I have my own unflattering opinion although the TOS prevents me from publishing it.
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06-03-2006 07:39
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06-03-2006 07:40
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Kindly do not lecture me about who you are talking to or take that condescending tone with me as if I have no right to speak up here.

If you get to comment on her comment, THEN SO THE HELL DO I.

You'll notice that I didn't, untill you did. coco


As always, a charming, measured, and calm response.

From: Cocoanut Cookie
Admittedly, I was a bit short-tempered or something, not quite my right self
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Enabran Templar
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06-03-2006 10:24
Oh man, here I was expecting a bland drama party about the beer stein people and instead I find y'all have started a party without me. Stale-ass subject matter, though.

From: Surreal Farber
Oh... and we don't know if anything did or did not happen to Enabran.


We don't? :)

Enabran knows!
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-03-2006 10:33
We know because Enabran pointed out at the time that he was still posting; no problem.

coco
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06-03-2006 10:43
From: Enabran Templar
We don't? :)

Enabran knows!


Smart ass! :p
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06-03-2006 11:07
*peeks head in*

Is this thread all about Coco?

*ducks out*
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06-03-2006 11:47
From: Enabran Templar
Oh man, here I was expecting a bland drama party about the beer stein people and instead I find y'all have started a party without me. Stale-ass subject matter, though.



We don't? :)

Enabran knows!


He also knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men!
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06-03-2006 11:52
From: Siggy Romulus
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Enabran is The Shadow?
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06-03-2006 13:22
Only the Shadow knows.
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06-03-2006 13:34
I thought Enabran was a type of muffin?
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06-03-2006 14:33
Diane

Why do you still involve yourself with this group?
It doesn't seem like you are enjoying it very much and you don't think very highly of some of the people involved and they are causing some real pains for you.

So, why do you have anything to do with them?
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06-03-2006 15:46
From: Cocoanut Cookie


P.S. And Siggy - as someone who has deliberately harassed and stalked me for a year with my quotes out of context in his signature - not to mention calling me names - you have a hell of a lot of gall to accuse me of harrassing and stalking you.

I really would like to have zero to do with you and normally would, if you didn't keep begging for my attention this way.


Then put me on ignore.

Go back - read your post - read the above quote - and please, just follow your own advice..

I wasn't talking to you - I was telling Selador how ironic it was you should feel that way about Enabran when you yourself act the exact self same way towards me.

'Stalking you with quotes' pah-lese. Go back and look over your own behavior and tell me 'who has the gall'.

Thxbye. Thank you for playing.
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06-03-2006 16:59
This doesnt have much to do with the previous threads right above me....
but basically, I'm sick and tired of SLers telling other SLers that this is just a game, and that nothing should be a big deal.

When someone makes a valid point and brings up an issue on the forums... and you have nothing to say other than "IF you don't like it, you should leave" or "SL should not be that important, time to turn it off" ... from now on, just don't post your damn reply in someone else's thread that is trying to point out what works and what doesn't in SL.

Most of us in SL prefer democracy, and are used to it in RL.... however SL is not a democracy (which i think can sometimes be it's downfall)... people trying to make a difference in the way SL should be run should be encouraged to make an effort, not pushed aside because you may think this is an unimportant game.
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06-03-2006 17:41
From: Siggy Romulus
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I do.



Because I put it there.
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06-03-2006 19:08
You know, I could have sworn this thread was about Neualtenburg and Ulrika Z.'s "sinister" influence with the Lindens. I was wrong; apparently it's an excuse for the forum's fucking nuts to come down out of the trees and throw cocoanuts at each other. How, errr, surreal.

Or how entertaining. I dunno.... Is it a Springer kinda thang? Y'all live in trailers in real life, right? ;)
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06-03-2006 19:26
From: Crissaegrim Clutterbuck
You know, I could have sworn this thread was about Neualtenburg and Ulrika Z.'s "sinister" influence with the Lindens. I was wrong; apparently it's an excuse for the forum's fucking nuts to come down out of the trees and throw cocoanuts at each other. How, errr, surreal.

Or how entertaining. I dunno.... Is it a Springer kinda thang? Y'all live in trailers in real life, right? ;)


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