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Allowing sales and promotion in sandboxes
Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
10-27-2005 08:13
From: Enabran Templar
If you happen to be building and someone walks by and decides they want to buy whatever you're making, I don't think anyone is going to come and ban your ass. Big difference between that and setting up an enormous, ugly store that monopolizes the sandbox and whose proprietor demands you build at least 5m away from the store's ugly walls (which I have seen happen before).


I'm not talking about putting up a "huge, ugly store", but nor am I talking about innocently having people offer for stuff while it's being built. I'm talking about leaving items that aren't being worked on unattended in the sandbox so that people notice them and notice the creator's profile, or leaving them on sale. This doesn't cause much disruption, so why shouldn't it be allowed?

From: someone

Should we get rid of speeding laws because if I'm not going to be directly observed by a police officer, I'm going to go 10 MPH faster than legal and get to work sooner? Hey, I derived an advantage from violating that law, it must be useless! Bullshit. The law lets an officer put a stop to exceptional and obvious cases that threaten the public good, like idiots who zoom their Mustangs at 60 MPH in a residential zone. The no sales in the sandbox rule exists for the same purpose.


Well, if the real policy is "you can sell and display in the sandboxes as long as it doesn't disrupt other people or take up too much room" then why not put that in the TOS instead of the absolute ban that's there now? Then you woudn't get people who follow the letter of the law losing out.

Also, the example doesn't match on two issues:
a) arriving a few minutes earlier at work isn't that much of an advantage, and
b) if going 10MPH over the limit is safe, it's safe for any number of people.

In the case of a) being able to sandbox sell is a massive advantage. In the case of b), once a certain number of people sell in the sandbox it becomes full and this is then a major threat to public good.

How would you like it if every employer in your country announced that anyone who sped on the way to work would get a $100 bonus when they got there, and when you hopped into your car and accelerated, the cops pulled you over and told you that they'd calculated there was only enough space on the roads for 40 people to "safely" speed and you were number 41 so they were busting your ass?
Enabran Templar
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Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
10-27-2005 08:27
From: Yumi Murakami
How would you like it if every employer in your country announced that anyone who sped on the way to work would get a $100 bonus when they got there, and when you hopped into your car and accelerated, the cops pulled you over and told you that they'd calculated there was only enough space on the roads for 40 people to "safely" speed and you were number 41 so they were busting your ass?


Umm. :confused:

I guess I'd like it about as much as I would like an army of sheep to lay siege to my house and try to kill me? I guess I would like it more than if Santa Clause called me up and threatened to have me whacked if I didn't send him eggs freshly harvested from my fiancee's womb.

Any other outrageous stuff we want to mention?
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Margaret Mfume
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Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,492
10-27-2005 08:30
The ability for people to share this free space is routinely tested as it is. Adding money to the mix will make things even worse. Not only will someone be invading another's personal space but they will be affecting one's sales and profits.
ZsuZsanna Raven
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Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,361
10-27-2005 08:32
Sandboxes are for building and learning, if people want to sell things...they can do that in many places. It's bad enough the sandboxes are full of stuff that people have abandoned and never return to, making it impossible at times to find a nice area to build on.
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Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
10-27-2005 08:33
From: Harris Hare
I suppose someone could always build an island devoted to giving non-landowners a place to promote their goods.

Now that's an idea :) Sunday Bazaar !
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Verkin Raven
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Join date: 5 Jan 2005
Posts: 243
10-27-2005 08:49
From: ZsuZsanna Raven
Sandboxes are for building and learning, if people want to sell things...they can do that in many places. It's bad enough the sandboxes are full of stuff that people have abandoned and never return to, making it impossible at times to find a nice area to build on.

I've seen repeated cases of certain people leaving the same exact item(s) in Morris, Newcomb, Goguen, and Cordova all at the same time. People who are at least somewhat established, with their own substantial plots of land that contain full display vendors.

I would think newcomers would be more apt to buy their own land so they can build in relative peace, away from the gunfights, tanked time dilations, and blatant posturing.
Kevn Klein
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Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,422
10-28-2005 07:45
I want to be able to sell stuff in the Welcome Area to newbies. Why won't they let me? All I want is money to buy cool things. It won't be unfair competition to those who pay tier for a store. Those newbies will go out and buy more money( after I get their free money) to buy stuff from ligitimate sellers. The reason those people will go out and buy money is so I don't have to buy money.

Well, as long as I can play free, it's all good.. :)

/sarcasm off
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