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Joseph Proudfoot
Proud Tsalagi
Join date: 2 Sep 2004
Posts: 234
12-04-2005 14:37
Yesterday, was at home, spending time with my Lady. Some guy shows up, knocks on the door. We let him in, he mentions he's looking to move into someone's house, and live there, rent free. We decline his gracious offer, at which point, his politeness disappears and we're both suddenly a sim away. He hits us with a scripted weapon of some sort. I, personally, AR him about 6 times, once for each bounce.

Has this been happening, or is it a new form of ass-hattery?
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Burke Prefect
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Join date: 29 Oct 2004
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12-04-2005 14:44
Maybe not now. The asshats will be spreading out more. So we'll need more guns... or boeards with nails in them.
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Piccadilly Metropolitan
Bendy bus
Join date: 2 Dec 2005
Posts: 100
12-04-2005 14:59
Those guns really, really need to be banned. What right does anyone have to shove other residents across sims, especially in a situation like Joseph's just described? I had a problem months ago with a neighbour who didn't get on with me. Her and her VR "husband" would kick me around with one of these things while I was peacefully hanging around on my land. The Lindens wouldn't do anything about it.

While they're at it, those "security orbs" should be banned too. There is a perfectly good system of ban-lines.
Joseph Proudfoot
Proud Tsalagi
Join date: 2 Sep 2004
Posts: 234
12-04-2005 15:29
on the bright side, I contacted Live Help, had a Linden there pretty quickly. After handing over the chat log, along with the multiple AR's, Mr Linden left to have a "chat" with this cretin.

About 15 minutes later, the name didn't even show up on "Find". So, I'd say it was handled efficiently and properly. :)
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If you truly love someone, love them enough to let them go.

I will miss you.

Which wolf are we feeding today?

"Crime is a smudge on the face of our world, and I, my friend, I am the wet nap of justice!!" Something the Tick should have said.

"I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability" Ron White
Ordinal Malaprop
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
12-04-2005 16:00
I'm not wearing a beard with nails in it, not even for ready money.
Beau Perkins
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Join date: 25 Dec 2003
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Ground breaking content?
12-04-2005 16:45
oops wrong thread. move along
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Doc Nielsen
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Join date: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,059
12-04-2005 17:15
From: Piccadilly Metropolitan

While they're at it, those "security orbs" should be banned too. There is a perfectly good system of ban-lines.


Wrong.
The SL ban tools are hopeless. They don't reach high enough, in my case much of my land and builds are above their maximum level. I had to invest in a control unit and 4 scanners to cover my sim and a further 3 controls and 6 scanners to protect other land after suffering abuse at the hands of a gang of 20 griefers.

Security systems are essential in SL now that LL have allowed the place to be infiltrated by scum and riff-raff by handing out free accounts to all and sundry.

And all the decent quality (i.e. expensive) security systems I checked out before choosing the one best suited to my needs meet the TOS requirements.

The ones you are complaining about are the cheap and nasty 'rottweiler' like systems that don't conform to TOS requirements.

What should happen is that LL should ban sales of non-TOS compliant security systems. But can you see a company that can't even control griefers getting their act together on that? :rolleyes:
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
Join date: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 913
12-05-2005 05:00
From: Doc Nielsen

And all the decent quality (i.e. expensive) security systems I checked out before choosing the one best suited to my needs meet the TOS requirements.


I've wondered about these things but how can I be sure they meet TOS requirements?
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
12-05-2005 05:50
Give it up.

I'd been lobbying for a ban on push-guns since about December 2003 when LL actually seemed to care a little about customer desires. I even went so far as to mount a (tasteful) nude photograph in a PG sim along with my protest to try and draw attention to the "push-guns are ok but breasts aren't" irony of the rules. I even chatted with a couple Lindens in front of my rule-breaking protests - about unrelated matters - and no one even mentioned it.

Unfortunately, you can't prevent push-guns without breaking some useful reasons for wanting to push someone. Enforcement of shootings is spotty and too lenient as your shooter will likely be back in 3 to 7 days. The best two anti-griefing weapons are ignoring the griefer and rezzing a cube and sitting on it (or sitting on any handy prim).

Just think of griefers as one of the multitudinous bugs that LL won't fix and you'll likely feel better. "Justice" and "Privacy" don't belong in the same sentence as "Second LifeĀ®".
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Piccadilly Metropolitan
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12-05-2005 05:51
Much of the time, the only reason ban-lines aren't effective is if a resident has a shag pad at 2,500 metres.
Malachi Petunia
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12-05-2005 05:52
From: someone
I've wondered about these things but how can I be sure they meet TOS requirements?
There are a couple of ToS compliant parcel banners out there. I happen to remember one sold at Bravo-Bravo but I'm pretty sure there are others.
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Piccadilly Metropolitan
Bendy bus
Join date: 2 Dec 2005
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12-05-2005 05:54
From: Malachi Petunia

Unfortunately, you can't prevent push-guns without breaking some useful reasons for wanting to push someone.


What's a useful reason for pushing someone?
Malachi Petunia
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12-05-2005 06:02
From: someone
What's a useful reason for pushing someone?
Trampolines, the river rafting tube ride in Tethys, human-cannonball cannons. I didn't say they were great reasons but they are there.

There have been movements for "consensual push" just like "this dance machine wants to animate your avatar is that okay?" where you'd get "this object wants to push you so hard it will probably crash your client, is that cool?". These have also failed for reasons known only to those inscrutable Lindens.

Of course, fixing the client so that a severe push didn't crash the client is a bit much to ask for. But I'm not bitter about it or anything.
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Piccadilly Metropolitan
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12-05-2005 06:07
From: Malachi Petunia

Of course, fixing the client so that a severe push didn't crash the client is a bit much to ask for. But I'm not bitter about it or anything.


On my woeful computer, a push strong enough to send you into another sim automatically crashes the client. It just shoves you over the sim line but doesn't connect you to the adjoining sim, so you're flying through empty space until you restart (an arduous task!). Can't it be fixed?
Roseann Flora
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12-05-2005 06:12
From: Joseph Proudfoot
Yesterday, was at home, spending time with my Lady. Some guy shows up, knocks on the door. We let him in, he mentions he's looking to move into someone's house, and live there, rent free. We decline his gracious offer, at which point, his politeness disappears and we're both suddenly a sim away. He hits us with a scripted weapon of some sort. I, personally, AR him about 6 times, once for each bounce.

Has this been happening, or is it a new form of ass-hattery?





Hi Joseph,
Long time good to see you and sorry to hear this and yes we have more of it but it is took care of fast most times:)
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Burke Prefect
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Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
12-05-2005 06:19
Sadly, there is presently no recourse for this.

Aside from fighting back with fire, or setting up a system to kick anyone that gets in range of your skybox into oblivion.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's the only options.

While we're throwing feces back and forth. A good reason people don't build all there structures on the ground is because a) clutter everywhere from shitty builders b) lag from said clotter, where altitude is usually less laggy, c) Slightly better privacy.
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-05-2005 06:34
From: Doc Nielsen
And all the decent quality (i.e. expensive) security systems I checked out before choosing the one best suited to my needs meet the TOS requirements.
Can you give an example of such a system?
Jamie Bergman
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12-05-2005 06:44
Guns don't cause grief
Griefers Grief
Good Grief!!
Siggy Romulus
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12-05-2005 08:55
From: Piccadilly Metropolitan
What's a useful reason for pushing someone?


My diving board. My Trampoline. The swim attach used in the chaos pool. Jump rings. Superjump attachment.

Thats a few off the top of my head that use push object or apply impulse.
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Collin Massiel
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12-05-2005 09:00
From: Burke Prefect
Maybe not now. The asshats will be spreading out more. So we'll need more guns... or boeards with nails in them.

y took my word.. i come up with ASSHAT years ago,, now everyone is using it its mine mine mine i made it up i own it...
Siggy Romulus
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12-05-2005 09:01
From: Collin Massiel
y took my word.. i come up with ASSHAT years ago,, now everyone is using it its mine mine mine i made it up i own it...


Hope that was more than 10 years ago.
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Octal Khan
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Join date: 14 Feb 2004
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12-05-2005 09:02
From: Collin Massiel
y took my word.. i come up with ASSHAT years ago,, now everyone is using it its mine mine mine i made it up i own it...



ut...sorry! or maybe youre swedish? ;)
http://www.confusednation.com/asshat/
Marcos Fonzarelli
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Join date: 26 Feb 2004
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12-05-2005 09:21
From: Burke Prefect
Maybe not now. The asshats will be spreading out more. So we'll need more guns... or boeards with nails in them.


I'm planning on getting some dogs... or bees... or dogs that have bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees.
Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
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12-05-2005 09:33
From: Malachi Petunia
Trampolines, the river rafting tube ride in Tethys, human-cannonball cannons. I didn't say they were great reasons but they are there.

There have been movements for "consensual push" just like "this dance machine wants to animate your avatar is that okay?" where you'd get "this object wants to push you so hard it will probably crash your client, is that cool?". These have also failed for reasons known only to those inscrutable Lindens.

Of course, fixing the client so that a severe push didn't crash the client is a bit much to ask for. But I'm not bitter about it or anything.

What about a STATUS_BLOCK_PUSH flag applicable to objects and avatars, just like there is a STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB flag for physical objects ?
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Kage Seraph
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12-05-2005 09:40
From: Jesrad Seraph
What about a STATUS_BLOCK_PUSH flag applicable to objects and avatars, just like there is a STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB flag for physical objects ?


See, Jesrad, we can't do that because it just makes too much sense.

edit: Hi, cousin!
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