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Cross Dressing in the WA

Jake Reitveld
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11-28-2005 16:28
Should a male avatar be suspended or banned from the WA for wearing women's clothing.
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11-28-2005 16:29
Well, they should get banned if it's not PG and their language isn't PG.

Like, what kind of women's clothing are we talking about? See through underwear? Or just regular clothes?

I would say no, if they're just dressed up and not being a jerk about it.
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11-28-2005 16:30
Jake no but the reason for the poll includes a man that was "cross dressing, making lwed gesture, and wearing revealing women's clothing." I for one would say if that is the case BAN THEM!

If they were two people one male and one female in the WA and both wore the same outfit I would agree they should both be allowed.
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11-28-2005 16:31
From: Jake Reitveld
Should a male avatar be suspended or banned from the WA for wearing women's clothing.


the real question is if a female avatar should be banned after making whoopie with a male avatar and later admitting "she" was a male irl at a later time?
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11-28-2005 16:31
Good point. Define clothing. Was it hose and garters, or a sun dress?

We talking Dr. Frank-N-Furter or Tootsie?
Jake Reitveld
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11-28-2005 16:31
I am assuming their dress is PG, or PG-13 (since we are all adults). Language is PG and conduct is appropriate.
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11-28-2005 16:32
From: Moss Talamasca
Good point. Define clothing. Was it hose and garters, or a sun dress?

We talking Dr. Frank-N-Furter or Tootsie?

What if it was hose and garters and a sundress?
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11-28-2005 16:34
And they're not being abusive in any other way? Like mouthing off to a linden or fellow resident?

Yeah, it's all good.
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11-28-2005 16:35
From: blaze Spinnaker
Well, they should get banned if it's not PG and their language isn't PG.

Like, what kind of women's clothing are we talking about? See through underwear? Or just regular clothes?

I would say no, if they're just dressed up and not being a jerk about it.


Exactly! The case he is reffering to had lingerie on and was using "adult pose balls"
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11-28-2005 16:35
Yah, well, that's pretty obvious then.
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11-28-2005 16:36
From: Jake Reitveld
I am assuming their dress is PG, or PG-13 (since we are all adults). Language is PG and conduct is appropriate.


Under that assumption they should not be banned. I say this having a crossdresser in my SL family.
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11-28-2005 16:36
Anyways, I've seen females banned from WA for the same reason.
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11-28-2005 16:38
Agreed blaze. I think this post is just meant to stir things up since he saw "he was crossdressing" in the other topic and wnet off...ignoring the next two paragraphs of what he did wrong or why he did it wrong." By he I mean the crossdresser. The word was tossed out as if say "the furry" or "the vampire" to be used in a descriptive nature.
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11-28-2005 16:38
From: Krazzora Zaftig
Exactly! The case he is reffering to had lingerie on and was using "adult pose balls"


K,
He's not referring to any case whatsoever.

The jerk YOU are referring to should have been banned for lewd gestures and aniumations. PERIOD.

Unfortunately, the mode of his dress was included in the reasoning behind the suspension.

Thsi raises the question about mode of dress, since there is no question abou thte other behavior.
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Jake Reitveld
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11-28-2005 16:39
I am, in compliance with the TOS, specifically NOT asking about a particular case. This is a reaction to a more general impression that the act of cross dressing itself is inappropriate for the welcome area.
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11-28-2005 16:42
From: Alain Talamasca
K,
He's not referring to any case whatsoever.

The jerk YOU are referring to should have been banned for lewd gestures and aniumations. PERIOD.

Unfortunately, the mode of his dress was included in the reasoning behind the suspension.

Thsi raises the question about mode of dress, since there is no question abou thte other behavior.


If you are making it simply about mode of clothing then no there should be anything done. Otherwise all mafia, all vampies, all furries, all sub/Dom types, etc should also be banned.

The mode of his dress was mentioned cause it did violate the TOS for a PG area. If I had been there my vamp, kitty, hermaphrodite self would have cheered as well. at the suspension.
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11-28-2005 16:43
From: Krazzora Zaftig
Agreed blaze. I think this post is just meant to stir things up since he saw "he was crossdressing" in the other topic and wnet off...ignoring the next two paragraphs of what he did wrong or why he did it wrong." By he I mean the crossdresser. The word was tossed out as if say "the furry" or "the vampire" to be used in a descriptive nature.


Yes it is meant to stir a discussion, that is why we have forums and posting. And yes this thread was creaded specifically to adress this issue exclusive of the other thread. My intention was not rehash the actions of any individual, but rather to adress something that struck me from the way I read the reasoning behand the ban..
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11-28-2005 16:45
So can I cross dress on Hollywood Blvd? Everyones doing it!
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11-28-2005 17:01
No, he shouldn't. However, if he's playing animations to suck his own cock and being a general jackass, as was the case with the guy who was banned for 'crossdressing' then yes, he should.
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11-28-2005 17:11
Again, intent is everything.

I've had some very good male friends that preferred to dress as women. When we would go out, there was little to no fuss made over them, because they behaved in a civilized and reasonable manner, just like anyone else.

However, if the same friend walked into a place of business and started in with foul language, activities, or anything else that would lead people to believe that a) he was only dressing that way to gain attention or b) he was dressing that way in order to mock crossdressers, then I certainly wouldn't fault the business for tossing his ass to the curb.

Let's compare with that old favorite, the racist av. Simply having a black av doesn't mean you're putting out a racist message. But combine the black av with other activities, objects, etc. and you change the whole picture. Honestly I feel that the subject of the other thread was using the crossdressing to get attention and/or piss people off. If I myself was a crossdresser IRL, I'd feel pretty personally offended by the guy.
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11-28-2005 17:13
From: Jake Reitveld
Yes it is meant to stir a discussion, that is why we have forums and posting. And yes this thread was creaded specifically to adress this issue exclusive of the other thread. My intention was not rehash the actions of any individual, but rather to adress something that struck me from the way I read the reasoning behand the ban..


With that being the reason then it comes down to If they were acting PG or not. If so then they should be allowed to stay.
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11-28-2005 17:16
Come on folks..
It's all pixels.

If my female av wears pants and a tshirt should she be banned for male clothes?

get real people.

Ban people for real reasons in the PG welcome area.
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11-28-2005 17:27
If the clothing is PG appropriate, I don't care what the gender of the wearer is. The supposedly "gender-specific" quality of an outfit should have no bearing on whether someone gets the boot from the WA, and if that was all someone was doing, they should not be punished.
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11-28-2005 17:33
From: Camille Serpentine
Come on folks..
It's all pixels.

If my female av wears pants and a tshirt should she be banned for male clothes?

get real people.

Ban people for real reasons in the PG welcome area.


Curiously, what 'people' are you talking about? Only 2 people have voted Yes, that I saw. Everyone else has said it depends on what else their doing. Should people sucking their own dicks not be banned just because they're crossdressers?
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11-28-2005 19:42
From: Camille Serpentine
Come on folks..
It's all pixels.

If my female av wears pants and a tshirt should she be banned for male clothes?

get real people.

Ban people for real reasons in the PG welcome area.


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The only thing stupider is that it's said over and over again.

A TV show is "just pixels". A picture in a magazine is "just pixels". But those pixels portray reality. The "pixels" aren't illegal, but the reality being portrayed might be.
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