Residents unfairly buying land out from under others

There is a proposal on the voting board, http://secondlife.com/vote/ for this time delay feature. Go to the voting page and vote for Prop: 1752.

There have been similar proposals for ages, and yet we have the current situation. I will still go take a look at the proposal though.

It's been a while since i bought any land but isn't there a ability to set the person you wana sell it to? If your doing a land transfer you should do it this way. Set the land to only be bought by the other person. I know most people don't think of this ahead of time. I'm definatly FOR some sort of warning ahead of time.

When this happened to me a while back, my snag came up when I went to purchase for my group and got a "you cant do this cus it doesnt have enough tier." what I needed to do was click the thing that lets you use your own tier as well. But in the few seconds it took for me to figure it out, I was swooped. The fact that there are predator opportunists spending their free time clicking refresh buttons on the land searches means there is worthwhile money to be gained in doing this, therefor plenty of victims screwing up something that should be easy to accomplish. Put in the time delay and give the novice time to figure it out.

Once again I will submit my very easy simple solution:

When a buyer attempts to buy land, a message is sent to the seller:

"Are you sure you want to sell xyz land for $$$ price, click ok or cancel"

Some land sales may be held up because the buyer is not online, but so what?!?!?!
The buyer should always receive a "are you sure you want to sell" message any time someone attempts to buy.

RL land deals do not happen instantly and without the buyers approval... why in SL?

i just dont get it why dont set 0 instead of 1$,ZERO FORCES to pick 1 seller,but,1 linden?great profit..

there are already securities in place to prevent it, you can't set the land for sale to 0 to anyone, and you can set the land for sale to a specific person, add to this the confirmation popup. If you still made it wrong, you are a fucking idiot and you deserved to be ripped off.

Nobody will be your mother in sl and guard you from any problems, so assume your own stupidity.


mainly because SL IS NOT RL and also cause the sums involved are not really on the same scale

0 can be set but only to a specific person

Kyrah you are fucking GREAT at calling people idiots.. People new are not aware of how the system updates so fast.. OR that there is fucking horrible bastards sitting refreshing the Land sales page like vultures waiting to rip people off.. to a new resident or someone unfamiliar with the land sales business its a mistake and does not make them "A fucking Idiot that deserves to be ripped off" I know someone who got ripped off and I can Assure you shes NOT A FUCKING IDIOT.

as for the OP.. unfortunately the piece of shit that ripped you off hasnt actually broken any rules so LL's hands would be tied if they actually cared to help you.

i recently sold a lot of land and it was pretty much luck that i remembered to take it all off the market before reparcelling it. that's where you get into trouble.

I think the warning needs to come when someone is reparcelling as well as setting for sale.

The milk of human kindness runs through your veins.

I think that would help, but it's not the end-all solution. This scenario would likely happen:

* Avatar A wants to sell their land to Avatar B. Both are new to land selling and neither has heard of land swooping or even thought of any way a third party might interrupt the deal. They're going to be fairly quick about it and don't foresee any problems.

* Avatar A sets the land to sell for L$1. Didn't event think about setting it L$0 assuming that wouldn't work. Didnt't set it to sell only to Avatar B because they're standing *right there* ready to buy the land immediately.

* Land Swooper comes in and buys the land. Neither Avatar A or B notice them or think anything about it.

* Confirmation dialog appears to Avatar A "Are you sure you want to sell your land to Land Swooper for...".

* Avatar A barely pays attention (mistake I know, but people *will* do this) to the text on the window and just hits OK because they assumed it was for Avatar B.

The land has now been stolen and it's up to the land swooper to do the right thing and give it back.

I like the idea of not listing the land for sale in "Search" right away. It seems refreshing the search list is how these people are getting there so fast.

I do think the confirm with the seller idea would help in some cases.

I'd also throw out there the idea of delaying the transfer for some period of time. Perhaps 15 minutes or half an hour. During this time, the land is in limbo owned by neither party and no funds are transferred. No one can attempt to buy the land. The seller can take back possession of the land. At the end of the time period, the land ownership switches to the buyer and the funds are transferred.

Basically, give the seller a certain amount of time to say "Sorry, I didn't want to sell the land to you or for that much. I'm taking it back." After that amount of time though, all bets are off.

When I had my land in Cerura, I was caught by a Land Swooper while reparceling.

Yes, I had the land set for sale at the time as I did not know any better.

So he gets 7,000 L worth of land for only 100 L off me and vanishes.

He then comes back a few minutes later and tries again (but fails).

To this day, I have never forgotten this particular "real D estate K agent" who is still active on SL.

Thanks for letting me post this; it has been on my mind for months now

We need more warning screens like this:



Hey Dumbass, are you absolutely totally positively sure you want to sell this land for $1L ???????



Are you certain?

Really?

yeah, if you're a new user that isn't intimately familar with land swooping you don't belong in SL!

Anyone who swoops down on clueless noobs and takes advantage of their ignorance and grabs their land is scum and I don't care what your rationalizations for your behavior is. Just as there will always be "stoopid" people there will always be heartless shits, too.

If I hadn't read about it in the forums, I may not have known what I was doing when I sold my land for $1 to my neighbor, either. I don't know how much I would screw up if I was trying to mess with group land, probably be a sitting duck for these jerks.

I am not in SL atm to verify this, but didn't LL add warnings when you are about to sell land?


Something to the effect of "Are you sure you want to sell this xxx meter parcel of land to anyone for $1L ?"

How many more warnings are needed?

I feel bad for anyone who accidentally misprices land, swoopers suck. But jebus, LL put the warnings in for people to read, who is to blame if people disregard the warnings?

Once a sale is complete, that should be the end of it. No limbo periods where a seller can revoke the transaction. You need to tier up to buy land. And whether you tier up for a minute or a month costs you the same thing. For example, a person whos already holding max land on a 40 dollar a month tier tab will have to dish out another 35 bucks a month on top of that just to cover any additional land purchase. Even if they just want to buy ONE meter of land. Now lets say you dish out that extra 35 bucks to buy that land, and during the 30 minute limbo another buyer comes in and offers a better deal to the seller. The seller could then revoke the sale leaving the initial buyer with no land, and a 35 dollar tier bill for nothing. Bad idea. Swoopers will be greatly diminished by simply installing a reasonable time delay between the time the land is set for sale, till the time the sale is posted on the board.

Schwanson, it isn't always that simple, $1 swoops aside, it gets more complicated with group land and transfers and such, as the original poster was describing. Before you have a chance to figure out what you are doing, someone can swoop you.

In my case, I knew to set the land to sell to a specific person for the buck, others just assume that they have, oh, a few minutes to make the sale to the person standing right next to them, they don't realize someone is going to swoop down on them that fast.

i agree with this .
except that i can see even that could be abused.

a Land owner tying to up his traffic could set his land for a very low price in the safety of knowing he or she can simply refuse the sale.

it would also mean the the land owner would have to be on line for a sale to take place .

I blaim the Land Swappers this is an Exploit and not the fault of the previous land owner.