Rules limiting account creation

It does count the teen grid. This is just crazy (for lack of a non-cussing word)

I got myself an account and my boyfriend as well because he wasn't working at the time when we signed up. Now he is working and he moved his account to his own card.

Finally they come out with the teen grid. We're all so excited. I tried to sign up my two teens. But alas! No can do without me getting another credit card because I'm maxed out on the card thing. WTF!!!

I am a widow with two teens I do NOT want to get more credit cards as I have enough problems keeping to my budget to begin with. I pay nearly $100 a month (I know- less than most but still) to play this stupid game and yet I can not sign my kids up to play unless I go out and get another credit card?! I did that once before and I am still paying the hidden fees on that blasted card. I do not want to do that again. We even tried to get one of my kids their own debit card but they're not old enough for that yet.

They should make a family plan. Heck I'll even send in copies of birth certificates or something. This is just not right! I am seriously considering quitting, there are more family friendly companies in the game world.

Hun, as someone who spends a minimum of 7 hours a week in the WA, let me tell you bluntly that an armored tank is precisely what is needed. Several of them, to be exact. Really, really big ones.

But Isablan, other games and online environments don't have something like this, which looks like cutting off their nose to spite their face.

But maybe it is just a temporary measure. A few months of this would pretty much put the kibosh on griefers and others abusing the system with alts, wouldn't it? Then they might go back to a more reasonable policy.

coco

We've set the account creation limits at two per Credit Card or Paypal, and five per household. These restrictions are in place on the Registration page, and in most cases those with a reasonable need for additional account per card or household can get one by contacting Support.

These limits were always meant to be based on active accounts -- but the current implementation counts closed accounts. That doesn't make a lot of sense, and we'll get that fixed.

We've put these controls in place, primarily, to combat fraud. Because Second Life is an intensely social space where many Residents have invested serious amounts of time, money, and energy, we feel it makes sense to take steps to help make indentity in-world as tangible and vaulable as possible.

Any Second Life Resident can easily have their account and an alt if they so choose; their partner, sibliing, or other household memeber with a seperate form of payment is not restricted from creating additional accounts. These are very reasonable limits, and they help protect the Second Life community. For what possible reason could one person need 30 accounts?

"These limits were always meant to be based on active accounts -- but the current implementation counts closed accounts. That doesn't make a lot of sense, and we'll get that fixed."

Thanks for the clarification, Daniel. That makes much more sense now!

coco

Well... now that you ask it, there are 14 known alternaTorleys and counting, I experience some of them (aka the father, the watermelon daughter, the blue-and-orange daughter, the gothy daughter, the robot, the rabbit, the superdeformed anime variation, the jumping slice) on one account but it's getting AWFULLY CROWDED in here!

Alternate virtual realities can be such a burden to manage!

I wanna get to know the jumping slice.

coco

Having just read over some of the Metaverse Justice League posts, and now looking at the membership of the group (many of whom I've never met and wouldn't know if they were an alt or not), I can think of an excellent reason for 30 accounts: sign them all up for one of these "open" lobbying groups and use them to help control things like recall votes, votes on proposals, etc.

Oooh glad ya asked—it's rare like a platinum Pokemon, and crashes sandboxes! @_@

Sorry for my confusion. It's Metaverse Justice Watch?

"Metaverse Justice League" makes me think of... a comic book. Well, we've got Green Lanterns in here already. How much of a stretch could it possibly be?

What possible reason could a person possibly need 1 account?

What difference does the lack of need for 30 accounts make to someone who wants six but can only get five?

A mother, father, and three children of minor's grid age - how do they get an account and an alt each when the household is limited to five accounts total?

What about the the claims that SL is a place where you can do whatever you want - sure, so long as it doesn't involve wanting to try roleplaying more than five fictional characters in your life.

When all of the alts you have created have been associated with each other and thus provide zero anonymity value - too bad, but remember, there's gonna be competition at some point to meet this demand that SL used to fill but decided not tol, so don't get too worried about it.

And what kind of fraud is it that limiting a household to five accounts stops? Why not six or four?

Couldn't the maximum per household limit at least be a a multiple of the number of credit cards?



Why is it that it is only in MOST cases that one can have the rule overlooked by asking support? Is there some category of customer that can't get them despite a reasonable need? Why not specify rules for determing reasonable need instead of making a rule that sound all specific and quantized and then allowing exceptions based on amorphous vague and ambigous concepts such as "reasonable need"?


Well, one thing is for sure, for me at least, limiting the number of accounts I can get to five greatly reduced the value of having even one.

This should be revised to "Contains at most five", don't you think?

That VERY SIGNIFICANT BUG has been there for the last 10 months and you're telling us it's not on purpose ?????????

For one thing it can't be related to banned AVIs or are you telling me LL is counting banned AVIs the same way it is counting canceled one ???????

This makes absolutely no sense, so what's going on ?

This is the very first post in 14 months I'm making where I'm losing my temper, maybe because I'm not used to being fed b..... like that.

I have a friend that has just attempted to cancel a premium account that they paid for on a yearly basis, they are seeing something telling them that their account isn't truly cancelled but is only in a pending state for a whole additonal year, till September of 2006.

So how long after you cancel an account in order to start a fresh one will it take for you to be able to start a fresh account?

Well, of course they have to wait a year, they're paying for an entire year. That is, unless they want to pay that godawful "early termination" fee that most companies employ... my colocation provider has a "$500 or the remaining term, whichever is greater" type of fee if you want to cancel partway through a payment term.

And I really think it's funny, how liberal people are with alt accounts... If you need more than five, something's not normal. And why would you need to start a fresh one? Why do you want to start a fresh one? What possible need is there that you can't achieve by just deleting everything in the old account and starting over with that? I'd say that's just about as smart as throwing out your perfectly good computer because you want to upgrade to a better operating system... Avatars aren't like tissues... you can reuse an avatar.

One strength I've found about SL is you can have so many forms under one name... I've done this extensively, personally, and unlike games where you get stuck in a certain class or character and can't really modify that later on if you change your mind, or you have to pay for extra "looksets", SL gives you a surprising amount of flexibility in this regard. It's very lateral.

I was also told by LL that if you decide to close one of your accounts (one of the 5) you cannot reopen it until after 1.7. Limits SUCK But hey what do I know, if they don't want the extra cash, the hell with them lol

This person paid for one year, that year is is up and over. They haven't paid for the year their cancelled account is considered "pending" for. They don't have access to the grid or the forums.

I don't want extra accounts, alt accounts or even one other account. My bf moved his account to his CC and now I can't put one of my kids on mine either because its for life!! That's just stupid. All I want is myself and my two teens on my ONE CC. Very simple. No alts, no extras, I don't need 5 accounts I only need 3 (one adult and two teens). Because of dork griefers, honest people have to suffer.

It's just not right. There's no way you'd grant ME an exception. I'm not pouring thousands of $$ into your company. But then maybe you don't want the money because you won't allow me to let my kids join in a way that is convenient and appropriate to me.

I can't even tell you how angry LL makes me over this. I haven't been this mad at a company in years.

30 accounts! OMG is this possible?!

Simply put: you're not supposed to do that. The TOS says that you're not supposed to transfer accounts.

Here's what I got from a support rep on the phone:
"I'm sorry, you can't transfer accounts. The card holder has to be the one actually using the account"
"But it's for my friend who doesn't have a credit card"
"Use a gift certificate"

This ruling is almost a full year old, and dates to the days when all accounts got stipends. I WANT TO SEE IT OVERTURNED. It is not in ANY official Linden document. Not in the TOS, not on the registration forms. I want an official Linden ruling on why it is still necessary, now that we no longer have stipends for new accounts, and now that unverified registration allows unlimited account creation, merely by refusing to provide financial ID. WHY should a roleplayer who wants a tracable, verifies account be limited like this? WHY should they be forced to use unverified accounts for additional roles?



Imagine trying to produce Romeo and Juliette, but being forced to use the actors and actresses birth certificate names, no matter what roile they were in. Imagine trying to act at all, when you could put on costumes, but were forced to always use the name on your passport.

We can change our appearance and gender at will, yet are forced to always display the same name we took at account creation.

As an actress, I am perfectly willing to PAY for the right to have additional roles that I can play. Why force people like me to use unverified accounts instead? How is that better for SL, or for it's users?

Incidentally, I just verified that the restriction on how many accounts one may have, per payment method or per household, is NOT mentioned in the current registration process, at least not on the first three screens worth.

Nothing at all about limits on the first screen, where you pick a name, indicate your birthdate, and give an e-mail address.

Nothing of course on the optional step for selecting an initial avatar configuration.

Nothing on the page for your real information, either.

I did note that they now ask you to explicitly state that this is your first account, or to admit that you already have other accounts. Presumably this will allow them to more easily charge for those additional accounts, for those individuals honest enough to admit that they already have another account. But it doesn't state on that page that admitting to having other accounts will require providing payment info and getting charged a fee. Perhaps that is what happens if you admit you have another account? I don't know, yet.

I ditched out of the account creation process at that point, as I didn't want to create yet another unverified alt, nor did I want to be charged a fee for an alt created merely to test whether or not the limits were stated on the new forms.

I still am waiting for an official Linden reply on whether the limits have been scrapped or not, and if they are still in effect, an explanation of WHY.

Yes - the Metaverse Justice Watch and the Justice League Unlimited are two separate and unaffiliated SL groups...