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Pratyeka Muromachi

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Join date: 14 Apr 2005

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10-21-2005 02:20

Small observation on packet loss.
Yesterday I went to help someone who had bought one of my house, 198 prims. While he attempted to rotate it, all the parts flew apart!. He was on a island sim and there was only 4 ppl there. When I tried to rotate another house of the same model I gave as replacement, I had no problem. We both have cable modems. He lives in the US, I in Canada.. I didn't check the data on packet loss. But this is very strange in my opinion.

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Lordfly Digeridoo

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10-21-2005 04:53

I haven't noticed any noticable packetloss problems, and I'm clear on the other side of the country in relation to LLab.

This was even during my marathon 11-hour build session.

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Torley Linden

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Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

10-21-2005 04:57

tHE INTERNET HAS BEEN SUCKING TODAY

Why?

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/21/two_tierone_isps_are.html

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Ingrid Ingersoll

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10-21-2005 06:05

From: Torley Torgeson

tHE INTERNET HAS BEEN SUCKING TODAY

Why?

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/21/two_tierone_isps_are.html

Thanks Torley, but I've always hated numbers and graphs. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN???

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FlipperPA Peregrine

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Join date: 14 Nov 2003

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10-21-2005 06:28

Level3 are the bunch of yo-yos that created so many problems for us while we were attempting to stream the SLCC in world. They are very high on "my list".

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Cocoanut Koala

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10-21-2005 06:41

I'm on the other side of the country from LL, too. My game has become distinctly less playable lately, that's all I know.

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Jesrad Seraph

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10-21-2005 08:07

My ISP (Freetelecom, of Proxad) is connected to the US through Level3. No wonder I've had weird packet loss problems lately.

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Eggy Lippmann

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10-21-2005 08:12

I guess the real question is... has Linden Lab® reached malachi saturation?

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Cocoanut Koala

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10-21-2005 08:18

So this is mainly a level 3 problem? (Whatever that is?)

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Jesrad Seraph

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10-21-2005 08:30

Apparently, not... Level3 was only down for a few hours intermittantly. The packet loss problems I've seen have been occurring for the last week for me. Did I mention that using Random Early Drop QoS policy with an unreliable transport mechanism (or lack thereof like with UDP) is a BAD IDEA ? But then not using any QoS on border routers would be equally bad...

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Kujila Maltz

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Join date: 6 Aug 2005

Posts: 444

10-21-2005 08:53

From: Malachi Petunia

to the best of my knowledge, there are no free WoW accounts..

Then PM me for the connection details and links.

Malachi Petunia

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Join date: 21 Sep 2003

Posts: 3,414

I must have been mistaken

10-22-2005 00:03

Please forgive me for having posted analysis that may have indicated that there was router congestion at Linden Lab's Data Center. I was clearly mistaken as was indicated in a recent Hotline to Linden response:

From: Robin Linden

While I can't say we never have packet loss, we have massive amounts of bandwidth. If people are experiencing severe packet loss, the more likely culprit is their ISP.

I offer my humble apologies for suggesting that there could be a fault at Linden Lab rather than at the globally dispersed ISPs dozens of players. I withdraw my hypothesis as it was clearly refuted and I shall not assert such again in the future.

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Eggy Lippmann

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10-22-2005 06:17

From: Malachi Petunia

Please forgive me for having posted analysis that may have indicated that there was router congestion at Linden Lab's Data Center. I was clearly mistaken as was indicated in a recent Hotline to Linden response:I offer my humble apologies for suggesting that there could be a fault at Linden Lab rather than at the globally dispersed ISPs dozens of players. I withdraw my hypothesis as it was clearly refuted and I shall not assert such again in the future.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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10-22-2005 06:30

From: Kujila Maltz

Then PM me for the connection details and links.

Your forum PM option appears to be turned off.

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has Second Life® reached player saturation?
Pratyeka Muromachi Meditating Avatar Join date: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 642	10-21-2005 02:20 Small observation on packet loss. Yesterday I went to help someone who had bought one of my house, 198 prims. While he attempted to rotate it, all the parts flew apart!. He was on a island sim and there was only 4 ppl there. When I tried to rotate another house of the same model I gave as replacement, I had no problem. We both have cable modems. He lives in the US, I in Canada.. I didn't check the data on packet loss. But this is very strange in my opinion. _____________________ gone to Openlife Grid and OpenSim standalone, your very own sim on your PC, 45,000 prims, huge prims at will up to 100m, yes, run your own grid on your PC, FOR FREE!
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	10-21-2005 04:53 I haven't noticed any noticable packetloss problems, and I'm clear on the other side of the country in relation to LLab. This was even during my marathon 11-hour build session. LF _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	10-21-2005 04:57 tHE INTERNET HAS BEEN SUCKING TODAY Why? http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/21/two_tierone_isps_are.html _____________________
Ingrid Ingersoll Archived Join date: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,601	10-21-2005 06:05 From: Torley Torgeson tHE INTERNET HAS BEEN SUCKING TODAY Why? http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/21/two_tierone_isps_are.html Thanks Torley, but I've always hated numbers and graphs. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??? _____________________ http://www.ingrid.0catch.com/1.html
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	10-21-2005 06:28 Level3 are the bunch of yo-yos that created so many problems for us while we were attempting to stream the SLCC in world. They are very high on "my list". Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	10-21-2005 06:41 I'm on the other side of the country from LL, too. My game has become distinctly less playable lately, that's all I know. coco _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
Jesrad Seraph Nonsense Join date: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,463	10-21-2005 08:07 My ISP (Freetelecom, of Proxad) is connected to the US through Level3. No wonder I've had weird packet loss problems lately. _____________________ Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	10-21-2005 08:12 I guess the real question is... has Linden Lab® reached malachi saturation? _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	10-21-2005 08:18 So this is mainly a level 3 problem? (Whatever that is?) coco _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
Jesrad Seraph Nonsense Join date: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,463	10-21-2005 08:30 Apparently, not... Level3 was only down for a few hours intermittantly. The packet loss problems I've seen have been occurring for the last week for me. Did I mention that using Random Early Drop QoS policy with an unreliable transport mechanism (or lack thereof like with UDP) is a BAD IDEA ? But then not using any QoS on border routers would be equally bad... _____________________ Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.
Kujila Maltz lol Join date: 6 Aug 2005 Posts: 444	10-21-2005 08:53 From: Malachi Petunia to the best of my knowledge, there are no free WoW accounts.. Then PM me for the connection details and links.
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	I must have been mistaken 10-22-2005 00:03 Please forgive me for having posted analysis that may have indicated that there was router congestion at Linden Lab's Data Center. I was clearly mistaken as was indicated in a recent Hotline to Linden response: From: Robin Linden While I can't say we never have packet loss, we have massive amounts of bandwidth. If people are experiencing severe packet loss, the more likely culprit is their ISP. I offer my humble apologies for suggesting that there could be a fault at Linden Lab rather than at the globally dispersed ISPs dozens of players. I withdraw my hypothesis as it was clearly refuted and I shall not assert such again in the future. _____________________
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	10-22-2005 06:17 From: Malachi Petunia Please forgive me for having posted analysis that may have indicated that there was router congestion at Linden Lab's Data Center. I was clearly mistaken as was indicated in a recent Hotline to Linden response:I offer my humble apologies for suggesting that there could be a fault at Linden Lab rather than at the globally dispersed ISPs dozens of players. I withdraw my hypothesis as it was clearly refuted and I shall not assert such again in the future. This post was brought to you by the F.I.C. retraining division. F.I.C. - Our World, Our Imagination _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	10-22-2005 06:30 From: Kujila Maltz Then PM me for the connection details and links. Your forum PM option appears to be turned off. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -

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