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eltee Statosky
Luskie
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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10-31-2005 02:07
i was gonna post a long, rather rambling post but thought better of it...
so then i tried a bunch of short little quios, and thought the better of that too...
honestly.. whatever... will anshe be here tomorrow? yah, will that be good for sl? probably, in all honesty. Does that redeem some'f the crazy stuff in the past, or any future 'antics' nah, but jus cuttin some'f the crap out, and bein honest with people might suprise ya with how well it works.
Will sayin that mean anything to anyone readin it here? eh prolly not... but if it does, more power to us all.
Its just sad how few people realize that truth, is almost always far, far more compelling than fiction. Truth is like *really* good food... addin garnishes/spices that don't belong just muddles it all up and takes away from the whole experience. People's stories are freaking amazing, as is, 'adding to them' just detracts and cheapens the experience, and the real tragedy is how few people ever realize it.
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eltee Statosky
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Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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10-31-2005 02:18
From: Eggy Lippmann LT, it is very common for non-native speakers to have wildly varying degrees of fluency depending on their mood. My english absolutely sucks when I'm nervous. It is terribly unfair to accuse Anshe of putting on an act. I come from a very *very* 'mixed' family, I know roughly what yer talkin about eggy, believe me, when ya did somethin stupid and grandma got angry she didn even have to be speaking english (and when she got *REALLY* pissed off, she rarely did) for all the kids to 'know' exactly what she was saying. Thats not really what i'm talking about though. Thats passion, this is 'PR', apples and oranges. Anyone who's grown up in multi-language families knows that it can be 'taken advantage' of... in america my family certainly lived up to some of the stereotypes, my uncle would speak absolutely accentless fluent english when we were talking, but when the cops pulled him over one day, it was *all* about 'Que?' 'Mi english senor, no good', etc, etc I guess i've been exposed to enough of both growin up, that i forget some people might not have had the chance to have seen/made the distinction. -edit- also honestly while you may have a valid point with speech, which is a 'direct' output, when typing, especially in a forum, you have your whole screen to 'buffer' out your thoughts, and i've never really seen 'variable' writing skill, that wasn't absolutely 100% intentional... that is essentially a fixed, and constantly, if slowly, growing trait.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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10-31-2005 06:25
Anshe, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to put your story down in your words. Though I may not [completely] agree with your business practices, I do acknowledge that your great success in SL came with a lot of hard work and dedication.
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
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10-31-2005 06:42
I don't think there will be another Anshe unless there are significant changes to SL. Most likely, in fact, if she continues with support services she'll just become another aspect of the game background. Who's the most successful avatar in SL? Anshe? Bzzt, wrong! It's Philip Linden. Eventually, I think, when asked that question you won't think of Anshe for exactly the same reason as you didn't think of Philip just now - she'll just be part of the game infrastructure.
The main reason why there won't be another Anshe are that a) because of its connection to RL money in tier fees etc., land is a uniquely lucrative market, and the competition is limited by Linden setting the tier fees; and b) based on what she said in the previous post, Anshe caught two major market edges (the introduction of animation, and cheap land), which aren't likely to be repeated - unless, as I mentioned above, there are significant changes to SL in 2.0 or something.
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Artemis Fate
I'm a big stupid-face.
Join date: 24 Oct 2003
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10-31-2005 07:53
From: Jauani Wu so...
1> you are complaining about the quality of 10 L$ poses? duh! Sure, if she wants to make a big deal about how she revolutionized the animation market in 1.4 with 10L$ poses when everyone else was making better 1L$ ones. From: Juani Wu 2>is there really a problem if some people approach sl as a job and provide content and service in the process? having 70 a sim grid full of customers is a clear indication she offers a service that several hundred residents appreciate on an ongioing basis. how is free thinking consumers choosing her services (and buying her 10 L$ poses) exploitation? wasn't there an adults only sign at the door? Well first off, my problem is with corporation style business tactics. The tactics behind that is NOT to have free thinking customers, it's to have customers NEED to come to you or want to come to you out of false pretexts. Before it was banned they put subliminal messages in ads, and still do to a lesser extent, if you disect the artistic and literary parts of most advertisements, it shows. If it weren't for monopoly laws, Microsoft would have kept on buying things up until you weren't a free thinking customer, just a person with a choice of microsoft computer or no computer. So that's the problem I have with Anshe, how she conducts herself as the "business girl" in SL. Posts don't take long to proof read and those weren't simple typos. You think she'd make a post defending herself without proof-reading it?
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Yumi Murakami
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10-31-2005 08:39
From: Artemis Fate Well first off, my problem is with corporation style business tactics. The tactics behind that is NOT to have free thinking customers, it's to have customers NEED to come to you or want to come to you out of false pretexts. Before it was banned they put subliminal messages in ads, and still do to a lesser extent, if you disect the artistic and literary parts of most advertisements, it shows. If it weren't for monopoly laws, Microsoft would have kept on buying things up until you weren't a free thinking customer, just a person with a choice of microsoft computer or no computer. So that's the problem I have with Anshe, how she conducts herself as the "business girl" in SL.
I don't think this is a such a worry with Anshe, though. It isn't likely it'll become the case that any land you buy, you have to buy from Anshe. And if it ever was, it wouldn't even be that much of a problem - you already have to buy it from Linden directly or indirectly, after all, and she still couldn't charge more than Linden do for the appropriate tier rate or any competitor could undercut her instantly. If she somehow managed to even prevent any competitors arising and drove the cost of land up, then, well, do you think Linden Labs wouldn't want a cut of that pie? With the new TOS licensing terms it isn't possible for any player, no matter how powerful, to strongly leverage LL with the "do what I say or I'm taking my ball and going home" threat. The only way it could become a problem is if she started doing what MS do - that is, leveraging markets. But there isn't really a reason why she would want to do that - because no other market is worth as much as land! Yes, it would be worrying if Anshe could stop somebody buying any land for their new shop in order to force them to rent in a mall she owned, but there's no earthly reason why she'd do that when she'd probably make much more money from selling the land. "But she could jack up the rents if she controlled commerce" - also unlikely, since if the rents went up the prices of content would have to go up too and that'd send demand down and drive non-business players off the game.
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Anshe Chung
Business Girl
Join date: 22 Mar 2004
Posts: 1,615
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10-31-2005 09:27
From: Artemis Fate Sure, if she wants to make a big deal about how she revolutionized the animation market in 1.4 with 10L$ poses when everyone else was making better 1L$ ones. When you search the forums for posts of the past 14 months with "Anshe" in it you find one common pattern: There is something many people did for many months, that nobody cared about. But once Anshe does it (or people just think she does it) she gets flamed. It really does not matter what it is, once Anshe do it it is something terribly bad and important. Now, what Artemis is saying here is even factually wrong. Not that this is unusual for his posts. Anyway, at 1.4 patch day there was one single reason why I did animations: because there were no animations available. None. Nothing. It took until the weekend, then some people started sell poses for 150 L$ per pose and 500 L$ per animation. There was some small number of freeby items some people made available. The same as there are freebie scripts, freebie clothes, freebie operating systems and freebie MMORPGs in the world. But people were still queueing in my store, came back with their friends, brought my little home and shop to the top of popular places list. And (litterally) thousands of people bought what I made. Just as today thousands of people buy Chip's fashion (instead of wearing freebie t-shirts), thousands of people buy Owen's dances (instead of play the freeby dance loop) and thousands of people buy nice prefab homes instead of use the freebie houses. The funny thing is where this lead us to. Will Artemis now start to trash every content creator in Second Life who sell something for more than 1 L$ per copy? Or what will be the new "criteria" that can be use to "single out Anshe"? "Content creators charging 10 L$ per copy are bad" obviously does not work, does it? How about "Oriental female avatars who do not live in USA and make more than XXX Linden$ charging for content is bad?". Why all this effort instead of just say "I don't like Anshe" or "I am bored" or "I just need the attention"?
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Anshe Chung
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10-31-2005 09:36
From: eltee Statosky Its just sad how few people realize that truth, is almost always far, far more compelling than fiction. I agree. Truth is much better than rumors, speculation, conspiracy theories and unfounded assumptions. What piss me off on regular basis is to read all these people claiming they know about somebody or something, and then post total rubbish that is as far from reality as pluto from the sun.
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Yumi Murakami
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10-31-2005 09:45
From: Anshe Chung When you search the forums for posts of the past 14 months with "Anshe" in it you find one common pattern: There is something many people did for many months, that nobody cared about. But once Anshe does it (or people just think she does it) she gets flamed. It really does not matter what it is, once Anshe do it it is something terribly bad and important. I think it's "If Anshe did X, she must have done it differently from everyone else who did X, because otherwise why aren't they all as successful as she is?" Which can cause plenty of wild speculation about what you "did differently".
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Jauani Wu
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Join date: 7 Apr 2003
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10-31-2005 10:25
From: Yumi Murakami "If Anshe did X, she must have done it differently from everyone else who did X, because otherwise why aren't they all as successful as she is?" the big money was and still is in the land market. 1> anshe was amongst the first land trader to drop the margin on land. 2> she was the only one with the guts to invest BIG after the land market collapsed last fall. 3> very few land traders continued to participate in the land market once competition made it the venture into work. presently the only other land trader i recognize from one year ago who has traded continuously is bob bravo. 4> anshe was the first to use the island sims to emulate LL main grid services
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Yumi Murakami
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10-31-2005 10:28
From: Jauani Wu the big money was and still is in the land market.
That's true, but I was responding to Anshe's point above where she complained about the comments made about her business selling animations. And "If Anshe made L$50000 in a day selling animations, and everyone else who was selling animations didn't, then she must have done something different" sounds reasonable, doesn't it? If someone does the same thing you did, and you succeed and they don't, it's natural they'll want to know what the difference is. Of course, you may not even actually consciously know what the difference is yourself - "hard work" is the answer on the tip of most people's tongues if they're asked this kind of thing, but you can't just assume that the asker didn't work hard too, and there's still a million different things that you might have done "hard work" on that were different from what the asker did "hard work" on. I mean, I asked someone else the same question and got "right place - right time", but it's pretty obvious that it wasn't actually just chance as they implied, but that they worked hard on selecting where to be at what time, and so I want to learn to do that too. But I'm not going to bother them any more about that because it won't give me any benefit to annoy somebody who might be able to help me learn and/or do it for me in the meantime. Of course, if asking doesn't get the answer you want, you can do what lots of people do and what I did when I joined: insinuate that the difference was that they did something immoral and count on them telling you the actual difference in the process of defending themselves. (Example of my utter stupidity: I once tried to get someone to tell me how they'd built something from prims by insinuating that they'd broken into the SL server to upload a custom model, hoping that they'd disprove it by giving me the info I wanted. I mean, how daft is that?) This kind of thing rarely if ever works - but people do it!
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Atrahasis Lameth
Registered User
Join date: 11 Oct 2005
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10-31-2005 10:54
Sorry for jumping in, but I have a question: did anybody noticed a change in English fluency from the first to the last two posts?
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Luna Thereian
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Join date: 30 May 2004
Posts: 45
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11-01-2005 01:45
truely does it matter how the english is? really to me, its just another reason to start bad vibes. like there is not enough at times the way it is
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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11-01-2005 03:39
From: Atrahasis Lameth Sorry for jumping in, but I have a question: did anybody noticed a change in English fluency from the first to the last two posts? I get the impression honestly that sometimes is Anshe posting and some times its her rl hubby tbh. Mar
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Katt Kongo
M2 Publisher
Join date: 9 Jun 2005
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11-01-2005 09:18
I think being very successful in SL requires a lot of discipline. You do have to work very hard, putting in 60 or more hours a week. It's just like starting a new business irl. It monopolizes your time when you are getting it off of the ground, and you often suffer a loss at first. You have to find a market that is not flooded, fill a need, and work your ass off doing so.
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Margaret Mfume
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11-01-2005 10:03
From: Atrahasis Lameth Sorry for jumping in, but I have a question: did anybody noticed a change in English fluency from the first to the last two posts? Anybody ever notice how often sentences beginning with "Sorry" are more of a warning than an apology? Kind of like when someone says, "Nothing personal, but...", you gotta know you're about to hear something both personal and negative.  I have developed the habit of writing with care and attaching importance to the chosen word is it is what defines me here, unlike rl where I can rely on inflection, facial expressions, and gestures to convey meaning. Late at night (or early in the morning after being up all night as was the case with Anshe) when I am tired or on the occasions where something puts an edge on my attitude, do I refrain from relating the street talk type of response that is in my head? Oh, hell no.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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11-01-2005 10:05
From: Margaret Mfume Anybody ever notice how often sentences beginning with "Sorry" are more of a warning than an apology? Kind of like when someone says, "Nothing personal, but...", you gotta know you're about to hear something both personal and negative.  This happens in the military with spoken jargon as well. That phrase though goes like this "With all due respect ......" 
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Margaret Mfume
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11-01-2005 10:36
From: Katt Kongo I think being very successful in SL requires a lot of discipline. You do have to work very hard, putting in 60 or more hours a week. It's just like starting a new business irl. It monopolizes your time when you are getting it off of the ground, and you often suffer a loss at first. You have to find a market that is not flooded, fill a need, and work your ass off doing so. Absolutely. Most people are reluctant to invest any amount of real cash into "virtual real estate" much less $15,000 in one lump sum for a pile of private islands. More importantly, a lot of people are unwilling to invest in themselves. Considering the cost of a new car; you can get a low end model for about 15k. If you were to invest that money instead and fail, well, at least you would have had a low end car otherwise, albeit one which has already lost significant value the moment you drove it off the lot. Last week, a suggestion was made to allow sales in the sandboxes in support of newbs unwiling to buy lindens to rent a spot. I thought, they are unwilling to spend a few dollars to buy lindens and invest in themselves. If they don't think their products are worth investing in, I'm not sure those products are worth my buying, either. Anshe is rather unique as well for the amount of time she puts in and most others are unwilling or unable to do this. Finally, most people pursue activities in SL according to their own liking. Anshe seems to listen and pay attention to what other people want or how they are effected by one or another issue. That seems to have determined her path more than following her own muse.
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Yumi Murakami
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11-01-2005 10:40
From: Margaret Mfume Last week, a suggestion was made to allow sales in the sandboxes in support of newbs unwiling to buy lindens to rent a spot. I thought, they are unwilling to spend a few dollars to buy lindens and invest in themselves. If they don't think their products are worth investing in, I'm not sure those products are worth my buying, either. I should clarify: my intended point in that thread was that it should be allowed because people were doing it anyway, and it was impossible to make punishments strong enough to not make it a good idea. The actual effect of the ban was to restrict the availability of sandbox selling to rulebreakers, which only even further increases their exclusivity and improves their value even more. From: someone Anshe is rather unique as well for the amount of time she puts in and most others are unwilling or unable to do this. Finally, most people pursue activities in SL according to their own liking. Anshe seems to listen and pay attention to what other people want or how they are effected by one or another issue. That seems to have determined her path more than following her own muse. Unless her only goal was to make lots of money, of course, and doing what people want was just the most effective way of doing that.
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Margaret Mfume
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11-01-2005 10:54
From: Yumi Murakami I should clarify: my intended point in that thread was that it should be allowed because people were doing it anyway, and it was impossible to make punishments strong enough to not make it a good idea. The actual effect of the ban was to restrict the availability of sandbox selling to rulebreakers, which only even further increases their exclusivity and improves their value even more.
I referenced that thread here because of a thought I had while reading it and didn't mean to misrepresent you if you feel I had. From: Yumi Murakami Unless her only goal was to make lots of money, of course, and doing what people want was just the most effective way of doing that. Whether it was her only goal or not is not really my point. I am trying to say that it is more common to follow one's own muse and to evaulate conditions according to one's own point of view. The ability to listen and to evaluate conditions objectively, putting aside one's own pov is not common, and is a contributing factor to her success.
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