Would you vote for a rollback to 1.6?
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Templar Baphomet
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11-04-2005 20:56
How much trouble is 1.7 for you, really?
Just for a second imagine it was technically feasible for LL to do a rollback to 1.6.13. And assume it would take a day to deploy the build and smoke test. And assume we would have the same shake-out period as any point release.
Would you vote Yes or No to roll back to 1.6.13 at this point?
On edit: Also assume that the asset server data was backed up before the rollback and restored on the 1.6.13 as it is now.
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Sensual Casanova
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11-04-2005 21:00
I voted go back to 1.6, but it probably isnt fair of me to say... I never had performance issues with 1.6 or 1.7, but inn 1.7 I find alot of things broken and alot of things vanishing... so uhhh, ya... 1.7 has ticked me off a bit
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Annah Zamboni
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11-04-2005 21:17
From: Templar Baphomet On edit: Also assume that the asset server data was backed up before the rollback and restored on the 1.6.13 as it is now. As I've said before, what gets rolled back? - Everything? - L$? - Inventories? - Land? If I sold L$ for real life cash do I get my L$ back and sell them again? If I sold objects or land do I get them back and keep the L$? My point is, since US$ have already changed hands, how can you really roll back without screwing some people over majorly?
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Sensual Casanova
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11-04-2005 21:19
From: Annah Zamboni As I've said before, what gets rolled back? - Everything? - L$? - Inventories? - Land?
If I sold L$ for real life cash do I get my L$ back and sell them again?
If I sold objects or land do I get them back and keep the L$?
My point is, since US$ have already changed hands, how can you really roll back without screwing some people over majorly? You can't... It is more of a hypothetical question... if possible would you want a roll back? do you like 1.6 or 1.7 better?
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Annah Zamboni
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11-04-2005 21:23
I'd stay with 1.7 and give LL time to fix it. In alot of places I have almost no problems but several sims are just running like poo poo now. But if I had a huge monthly fee tied up in a sim thats choking I guess my answer would change.
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Hiro Pendragon
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11-04-2005 21:25
roll back?
how about ... rrroll out!
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-04-2005 21:31
well, i was worried, but Flipper posted some data which seems to indicate that SL isn't impacted globally from a business point of view.
So I say things aren't as bad as they seem
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Jonquille Noir
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11-05-2005 09:18
Move forward. I'm not giving up multi-select. Not a chance.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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11-05-2005 09:21
From: Templar Baphomet How much trouble is 1.7 for you, really?
Just for a second imagine it was technically feasible for LL to do a rollback to 1.6.13. And assume it would take a day to deploy the build and smoke test. And assume we would have the same shake-out period as any point release.
Would you vote Yes or No to roll back to 1.6.13 at this point?
On edit: Also assume that the asset server data was backed up before the rollback and restored on the 1.6.13 as it is now. While we're at it, let's also imagine that Havok2 will eventually be deployed, we'll all be SL millionaires, and that the Lindens are a multi-billion dollar company. The fact of the matter is a rollback is technically impossible. Period. LF
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-05-2005 09:39
From: Lordfly Digeridoo While we're at it, let's also imagine that Havok2 will eventually be deployed, we'll all be SL millionaires, and that the Lindens are a multi-billion dollar company.
The fact of the matter is a rollback is technically impossible. Period.
LF It was a What If question. And everyone knows it too.
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Les White
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11-05-2005 09:47
1.7 is the un win, but 1.6 wasn't so hot either.
I say we roll ahead to 2.
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Lex Neva
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11-05-2005 09:49
From: Magnum Serpentine It was a What If question. And everyone knows it too. But LF has a good point. What's the point in asking "What if?" if it's simply not possible? It won't accomplish anything.
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Templar Baphomet
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11-05-2005 13:13
From: Lex Neva But LF has a good point. What's the point in asking "What if?" if it's simply not possible? It won't accomplish anything. The point is that even if we could, 80% of us wouldn't go back. I think the community -- and LL for that matter -- deserves to know that.
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Torley Linden
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11-05-2005 14:16
From: Jonquille Noir Move forward. I'm not giving up multi-select. Not a chance. Heh, I'm with Jon here. Rolling back to a time of remembered stability is a great fantasy, but given all that's been done on 1.7, it would compound the problems even more. There are a lot of 1.7 features that aren't backwards compatible. Imagine the potential perms problems on TOP of the current ones by rolling back? Ugh... if anything, my wishful fantasy would be to speed ahead some months to 1.7.14. And then when 1.8 comes, we'll do this all over again. Or not, I HOPE NOT! The vibe I'm getting is some people wanna take a long sleep, and by the time they wake up, they have a plate of cookies and warm milk and 1.7.x has really matured. They log on, there's sunshine, much rejoicing. Whelp, that's the way I feel about it sometimes, anyhoo. But life—and Second Life—just ain't that easy. 
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Hiro Queso
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11-05-2005 14:56
From: Torley Torgeson The vibe I'm getting is some people wanna take a long sleep, and by the time they wake up, they have a plate of cookies and warm milk and 1.7.x has really matured. They log on, there's sunshine, much rejoicing. Whelp, that's the way I feel about it sometimes, anyhoo. But life—and Second Life—just ain't that easy.  Yeh some of us have overly high expectations.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-05-2005 16:23
I'd like a roll-back, but it apparently can't be done. The only dream I want to wake up from is the one where I wake up and the game is as playable (and seeable) as it was in 1.6. coco
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DogSpot Boxer
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11-05-2005 16:31
From: Torley Torgeson H The vibe I'm getting is some people wanna take a long sleep, and by the time they wake up, they have a plate of cookies and warm milk and 1.7.x has really matured. They log on, there's sunshine, much rejoicing. Whelp, that's the way I feel about it sometimes, anyhoo. But life—and Second Life—just ain't that easy.  1.7 shouldn't have to "mature". It should have been free of major bugs when it was released.
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-07-2005 02:49
69 people do not make a majority. Whoever posted to the Hotline to the Lindens board that 80% of the people voted not to go back should be very ashamed of themselves. I walked around Second Live this past week and almost by 100% everyone is extremely dissiappointed in 1.7
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Moopf Murray
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11-07-2005 03:01
From: Magnum Serpentine 69 people do not make a majority. Whoever posted to the Hotline to the Lindens board that 80% of the people voted not to go back should be very ashamed of themselves. I walked around Second Live this past week and almost by 100% everyone is extremely dissiappointed in 1.7 As should you be for your latest thread by the same token: /108/57/70301/1.html
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-07-2005 03:24
Moopf, then explain why everyone I met in SL (Not in the forums) are against 1,7??? I met quite a few people. And I can tell you it was far more than 69.
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Jillian Callahan
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11-07-2005 03:33
From: Magnum Serpentine Moopf, then explain why everyone I met in SL (Not in the forums) are against 1,7??? I met quite a few people. And I can tell you it was far more than 69. They're not against 1.7. They're against the bugs. They're against the inability to do things they once were able to with 1.6. Who the heck can blame 'em for that, y'know? Rolling back to 1.6 wil not give them back what they want any sooner than will fixing what's wrong with 1.7, and a rollback includes the added bonus of destroying a few weeks of work. 1.7 has not stopped people from creating new things with the new features. I doubt you'd really want to do that to anyone. Right?
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Moopf Murray
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11-07-2005 03:35
From: Magnum Serpentine Moopf, then explain why everyone I met in SL (Not in the forums) are against 1,7??? I met quite a few people. And I can tell you it was far more than 69. I will not explain unless you offer proof of this rather than your own (biased, I would suspect) anecdotal evidence.
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-07-2005 04:19
From: Moopf Murray I will not explain unless you offer proof of this rather than your own (biased, I would suspect) anecdotal evidence. Then offer proof that 69 people is a Majority, out of 78,000 I think its time for this thread to be closed.
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Jillian Callahan
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11-07-2005 04:24
From: Magnum Serpentine Then offer proof that 69 people is a Majority, out of 78,000 I think its time for this thread to be closed. Question: What difference does it make? This ain't a democracy.
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Copper Surface
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11-07-2005 04:36
I'm interested in what percentage of the SL population actually used the preview grid regularly. Surely with this sort of system where there's such varied content existing on the main grid it would not be possible to find all the bugs and squash them *without* bringing the whole grid contents on to the preview grid. Waste of resources. Might as well move the main grid on to 1.7, eh? Not to mention how they would test the performance with significant numbers of avatars logged in, all with different attachments and patterns of usage. Welcome to the land of undocumented features. Get to work! ;)
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