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law and order .. or is it just for TV?

Waz Perse
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Join date: 24 Nov 2005
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12-05-2005 08:07
ok.. this rantesque post is derived from discussions on 'freebie stealing', and since the last thread was closed, here:
/130/e8/74202/7.html#post775408

there have been some things going on.. such as email threats from a certain individual, posted here (NOTE: this COULD be made up by the poster, but you make up your own mind)

http://darkintruder.blogspot.com/


so you can see what happens when things are left to boil over.. go figure, they boil over.


anyone for some law and order? there is a need for some *real* action that can be taken to stop these kind of abuses (e.g. stealing freebies and other gray areas where there are disputes that are not somehow specifically against the TOS), most everyone agrees. It seems Linden Inc. can/will not act due to RL law restrictions/issues that could materialize if they were to take action directly.

I am not sure how change is realized here, so I will give this a go in the forum .. other suggestions would be appreciated and of course discussion as to what works/doesn't with respect to the proposal below.

proposal : "a bit of law and order"
I suggest a group is formed, under the jurisdiction and guidance of the Lindens to handle abuse utilizing a jury of peers... since procedurally nothing is available to use as tools, and since the worldwide knowledge of the american legal system is actually quite good fortunately/unfortunately due to TV law programs, I would recommend using the american legal system as a model for procedures.

The lindens would thereby act as the Judicial, Executive branches; as they are acting today. The difference would be that they would not make the judgments themselves in non cut and dry abuse procedures, but receive them and pass it to a group (formed by the lindens for the time being) that will handle such procedures and act as arbiters and judges. Not all abuse reports would be handled this way, but the ones that Linden Inc deem to not infringe on the TOS but infringe on the community. Procedures would then be handled through a process in world that would start with mediation/arbitration. If the discussions are fruitless, then the case would move to a court system which would lead to the establishment of a jury (4 people maybe?) and then the hearing of the case. The judge/jury would hear the case and take a decision as to the defendants guilt. If found guilty, punishment is recommended and the Lindens then carry it out unless they find it 'unacceptable' and can call a mistrial or negotiate a different sentence based on their legal RL obligations. Loser of the case would pay the court costs, I would recommend a per hour rate .. like 50L/hr per juror and/or judge .. during the trial, and a flat rate till judgment is reached .. like 250L per juror).

If found guilty, then that verdict sets a precedent. That would be passed back to the Lindens and the community Legislative branch to be looked at being brought into the system and if possible hard coded to stop such abuse if it is deemed worthwhile based on time and effort to do so vs the time and effort to have to try cases that deal with the matter.

Done this way, I think it would allow the citizens to take real action within the world and protect the property and livelihood of themselves and others WHILE leaving Linden Inc. with minimum responsibility.
Issarlk Chatnoir
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12-05-2005 08:17
Seems like too much pain dealing with things like that.

I propose instead that in Secondlife the Bonobo way of handling disputes is used. We have everything IW to allow it too (and if both parties can't agree on the kind of sexball to use, the jury will decide for them)
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Weedy Herbst
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12-05-2005 09:08
Lovely, Miss Yankee Doodle Dandy sends threatening letters attempting to snub free speech. Then bumped it up with threats of viral infection. No less admission copyright theft.

I would submit copies and links to the U.S. Attorney's Office. Here's a link:

http://www.usdoj.gov/
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Jamie Bergman
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12-05-2005 10:21
Those threats did NOT come from me. I have no need to write that.
And I will admit I am shocked someone would send that to you.

I think its horrible that someone would do that. :(

My blog and involvement in SL are for fun - not for the type of crazy threats and actions contained in that e-mail.

If you are interested in pursuing whomever is responsible for that, I would certainly aid you. I'm interested in catching this imposter, as well.

Please contact me at [email]JamieBergman2005@hotmail.com[/email]
Jamie Bergman
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12-05-2005 11:07
Also, Should I be filing a report with my local law enforcement agency because someone is sending threats pretending to be me? I'm not certain at all how to handle these types of matters, but I am willing to contact the proper authorities, if it should be done.
ZsuZsanna Raven
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12-05-2005 14:22
Even I find it a bit hard to believe that she would send that type of email, knowing full well it would be seen or mentioned here...
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Waz Perse
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12-07-2005 02:11
so a possible 'defendant' I see has been busy with rhetoric about RL issues; I appologize if it wasn't clear, I used that solely as evidence to show how not dealing with things in SL causes other problems (that is why I wrote a disclaimer).

For this instance, I am only concerned about SL charges of unethical practice that seem to fall in a gray area with respect to the TOS.

Nonetheless, the 'defendant' seems to be leaving SL and the blogosphere on her/his own recognizanse: http://sleconomyblog.blogspot.com

I guess I see them leaving as justice, but I feel it should not take a ground swell of grass roots support for these types of things to be taken care of. If that is the case, there are many who will not have an opportunity for justice because they don't have the time and energy or perhaps not a ranting, raving, anoying individual causing the trouble that makes that person a target. In the end, this is SL not RL, but the line has been blurred due to the RL economics and currency that need protection and justice.

regardless, this concept certainly does not seem to interest anyone, .. 1, 2,. .. 3 strikes ..YOUR OUT! .. so I will stop trying to push it :D
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12-07-2005 07:15
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Enabran Templar
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12-07-2005 07:20
From: Weedy Herbst
Then bumped it up with threats of viral infection.


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God dammit, I wish I were more of a douchebag. I could make so many awesome...

Ah well. You all know you were thinking it anyway. :)
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