Classifieds Listings: FOR SHAME!

Haven't been following all this or reading the whole thread, but . . .

In the Classifieds, there is also some kind of distinction between land and property, in the names and descriptions of the forums, I believe.

coco

My "Property" definitions include more than "bare plots", Hiro. I make four specific distinctions wrt "Property" and one generic comment at the end. Again, the four specific distinctions are:
The generic comment was:

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I've not followed the issues with private sims in several months and am probably behind on this, but are people no longer buying "land" on Private Sims? Last I recall, there was the option for people to buy (not rent) land in private sims (they had to upgrade to Premium accounts) and have their tier payment go to the sim owner. Is that now gone? That's the issue to which I was referring.


First land on the Main Grid is not resident-owned?


Which is all I have shown with the one exception already mentioned. Note my comment as to why I separated the already sub-classified "First Land" category:

See here for an exhaustive (and exhausting!) discussion on this issue.

AFAIK, buying/leasing/renting land on private sims has never required upgrading to a premium account, though.

Perhaps I should have been more clear, I was pointing to byour definition of rented bare land being a property.


There are a few residents that are 'selling' plots of land in private estates, but importantly, LL does not recognise them as such, they see them as rentals. For that reason, I can't see there being a category for it.


Not when it's available, no. First land is a programme run by LL.

I saw those. However they're not really very well-defined or enforced when it's apparent some posts are inappropriate. A cursory scan of the listings shows a complete disregard for any implied definition I might assign (e.g. under "Land Sales and Rentals" are listed condos, stalls, and even sales of some other undefined kind; in the more clearly-defined "Property Sales and Rentals" category are listings for land sales).

well i dont know if i have done any thing wrong or not but my adds never seem to show up and they are all set to publish

Have you selected the correct category in the drop down? If you have, and you have checked the 'publish' box, and still no ad, might be one for livehelp. Unless anyone else here knows.

yup there all in shopping and had one i canceled for my island rental that was in land rentals. they originally showed up but then disapeard and the oldest is not even 2 weeks old

are they still in your profile?

yupp
there all still there

*shrug* one for livehelp or liaisons then

Thanks for the link, Lisse. I'll get myself up to speed.


I don't recall posting a "definition of rented bare land being a property"; only that there is a sub-category within "Property" that includes bare land. I do recall defining "Property" as anything to do with land (and perhaps non-land related items) that did not include issues related to Tier.

For my benefit, could you provide the quote of mine to which you're referring. I'd not like to similarly confuse others and will edit the comment if necessary. Thanks.


Fair enough. We can certainly eliminate such a category. Again, my only thought was to provide sufficient categories to cover anything that involved Tier.



Simple misunderstanding. In my original post I placed "First Land" and "Auctions" in order and noted that both are LL-controlled. What I was inferring was that people selling land on private sims cannot offer "First Land". Hence it is by default on the Main Grid and is purchased by residents on a premium account.

My point was that you had categorised the rental of a bare plot as 'property', yet the sale of a bare plot as 'land', so I took from that you definaed rental as property, and sale as land. This was from your initial post.


I understand, but my point was that as first land (and auctions for that matter) are LL's and not residents, categories for them are not needed in the classifieds. The classifieds are for residents, LL are not going to list any.

I'm pretty sure I know what you're point is Hiro. Lisse's link didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.


As stated, I specifically included this category to help the new SLer - the buyer. It's my attempt to be consumer-centric bc what I see now is more concerned about the relationship between LL and SL businesses than it is between buyers and sellers. And like it or not, LL is selling.

To be honest, this "classifieds are for residents" stuff baffles me. New residents don't care about LL competing with resident businesses in the Classifieds. They don't care about the business of the land owners, or how careful LL needs to be not to step on any SL business toes. They only care about buying. And the simple solution in this case - imo - is to put all Land Sales in one place and differentiate them there; not put them in different areas of the interface and confuse them. As far as I'm concerned, anything that impedes or diminishes the consumer experience is a problem.